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Old 12-06-2015, 08:36 AM
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Default Is Dahlen a lock ????? VS others at position why not ??

Any thoughts on the "pre-integration" committee Hall of Fame voting that happens tomorrow ?? I looked at the stats for Dahlen and he measures up very well. 21 seasons mostly at Shortstop, 100+ runs in his first 6 seasons, 120+ hits 15 times AND was the active HR leader at retirement in the Dead ball era. Gotta be there this time ??

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Old 12-06-2015, 08:48 AM
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He should be a lock. Nothing is guaranteed. If I had a vote: Adams, Breadon, Dahlen and Stovey would be those I selected.

While I'm not a champion of his case, I would vote for Walters before I'd vote for Ferrell.
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Old 12-06-2015, 09:47 AM
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Dahlen --- YES !!!!!!!!!!!

I have also felt Chris von der Ahe should be in. He did revolutionary things with ownership that weren't even thought of at the time.

Looking up Dahlen the other day, I also checked out George Davis. A lot of people think he shouldn't be in, but with his stats, a definite. Then, right below him in encyclopedia is Harry Davis, who, imo, also should be in.
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Anybody else feel that Tip O'Neil and Jimmy Ryan merit consideration? John
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Old 12-06-2015, 09:56 AM
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I'd have Tony Mullane and Lefty O'Doul (for contributions on and off the field) on there as well.
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So, forgetting merit, do we think Dahlen WILL get voted in? And why? Because he's still on the ballot while others have been knocked off--and no other strong player candidates?
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My vote is
Dahlen
Breadon
Stovey

With Herrmann, Adams, and Von Der Ahe worthy of election but not at this time.
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The HOF should really look towards creating a "pioneers of the game" section that recognizes the early players from baseball history like Ross Barnes and a host of other 19th century players.
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I'd have Tony Mullane and Lefty O'Doul (for contributions on and off the field) on there as well.
I do not believe Dahlen is a lock but I do think Lefty O'Doul should be in the Hall of Fame!

Dahlen was the (pre Ty Cobb) in terms of surliness and bad attitude. He was not well liked but look where that got Cobb! Of course it helps to have a lifetime .366 BA!

Dahlen's surliness certianly was not limited to the field as The Chicago Inter Ocean of January 4, 1901 reported Dahlen’s wife suing for divorce, alleging he choked her in February 1897 and struck her that December. The suit also claimed Dahlen had threatened his wife’s life and used “vile, abusive, and opprobrious language” toward her.

I guess in retrospect he will fit in nicely with some other Hall of Famers!

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Lefty O'Doul owned and ran a bar restaurant in San Francisco. It still exists and serves great pub grub. Right off Union Square, if I recall. Joe DiMaggio, a buddy of Lefty's when they both played with the Seals, tried unsuccessfully for many years to get him into the Hall but to no avail. Probably too late now. John
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I don't know much about the others but Dahlen deserves to be in there. I would add that quite a few other from that era he played in should be considered as well.
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I paid $70.00 for a PSA 1 in his Boston uniform. Any chance I could turn a profit on that?
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I paid $70.00 for a PSA 1 in his Boston uniform. Any chance I could turn a profit on that?
Maybe tomorrow you can get a little more than that right after he's elected, but there are a lot of them on Ebay right now, so people have options. Unless your PSA 1 has great eye appeal, it will probably be worth about $55-60 within weeks of him being selected. Also, he's the type of player who people already assumed would make it, so there could be less people than normal who need one right away.
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Maybe tomorrow you can get a little more than that right after he's elected, but there are a lot of them on Ebay right now, so people have options. Unless your PSA 1 has great eye appeal, it will probably be worth about $55-60 within weeks of him being selected. Also, he's the type of player who people already assumed would make it, so there could be less people than normal who need one right away.
Should I contact Dean's? I can't decide if I want to keep it because I'd love to build a monster set or if I should flip because I haven't worked since August.
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Should I contact Dean's? I can't decide if I want to keep it because I'd love to build a monster set or if I should flip because I haven't worked since August.
If you have an Ebay account, just list it tomorrow after they announce the new HOF'ers(or before so it's up already). Assuming he makes it, his cards will probably never be worth more than right after they announce it.

People rush to buy them, sort of like when a player passes away, or when Topps talked about that Derek Jeter error. People were paying ridiculous amounts for that card during the first couple days. You can get them for less than $5 now.
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Any thoughts on the "pre-integration" committee Hall of Fame voting that happens tomorrow ?? I looked at the stats for Dahlen and he measures up very well. 21 seasons mostly at Shortstop, 100+ runs in his first 6 seasons, 120+ hits 15 times AND was the active HR leader at retirement in the Dead ball era. Gotta be there this time ??

http://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fame...016-candidates
Adam the real question should be does the Committee actually research anything and take real candidates into consideration???

Why isn't Rip Van Haltren ever in contention?????????

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...anhage01.shtml
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6/10 Billy Sullivan back run 60%

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Excel spreadsheets only $5
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Maybe he'll be one of the ten for 2019.

When I look at Dahlen, I also look at Dick Allen - qualified for Cooperstown but linked to character issues.
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