1887-1890 Old Judge NEW QUESTION

[Joshchisox08]

Greetings ole' chaps !!!

I've been doing quite a bit of research on this set and there are 38 players in the set of 500+ I can't seem to find any information on. Nothing on SABR nothing on Baseball Reference.

If anyone is an expert on this set or knows these guys with a different name to look him under can you please provide your expertise ?

Any help is much appreciated.

Here is a list of the following players I'm having issues finding anything on:

Bogart, Walter ----Indianapolis Hoosiers
Boyce, Abner ---Washington Senators
Davin, D.J. ---Milwukee Cream Citys
Feron, Colonel ---Washington Senators
Fischer ---Chicago Maroons
Flanigan, Thomas--- Cleveland Blues
Foster, F.W. Dotted Tie ---New York Metropolitans
Gibson, Lee ---Philadelphia Phillies
Gleason, Brother Bill ---Philadelphia Athletics
Greer, Michael ---Cleveland Blues
Hafner, William ---Kansas City Cowboys
Hapeman, A.G. ---Sacramento Atlas
Hart, William ---Cincinnati Reds
Hogan, Eddie ---Cleveland Blues
Johnson, John ---Kansas City Cowboys
Jordan, W.T. ---Minneapolis Millers
Kelly, John
Kremmeyer, Charles ---Sacramento Atlas
McCormack, John ---St. Louis Whites
McQuaid, James--- Denver Mountaineers
Nicholson, J.W. ---Chicago Maroons
Nicholl, Nick ---St. Louis Browns
O'Brien, Jack ---Brooklyn Bridgegrooms
Ripslager, Chalres Dotted Tie--- New York Metropolitans
Sanders, W.H. ---Omaha Omahogs
Shafer, Frank ---St. Paul Apostles
Smith, Nick ---St. Joseph Clay Eaters
Somers, P.T. ---St. Louis Browns
Stephens, B.F. ---Milwukee Cream Citys
Sterling, John C. ---Minneapolis Millers
Warner, E.H. ---Milwukee Cream Citys
Weber, Charles ---Sioux City Corn Huskers
Winder, William ---Columbus Senators
Whitacre, Harry ---Philadelphia Athletics

[oldjudge]

The Old Judge book has short bios on every player.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

The Old Judge book has short bios on every player.

Is this a relatively cheap book? Similar to the T206 book or more info on the players than that?

[oldjudge]

I've seen copies sell in the $25-$50 range recently. The research you did probably cost you more than that in time expended. I'll leave it to others to comment on the book's quality.

[bn2cardz]

The book can found at a good price (compared to the info you received)

I see one on ebay at $40:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MILLER-MASSO...item2c9d5b98ec

The auction has a photo that shows the length of the BIOs.

I enjoy reading through the BIOs just as much as I enjoy reading through the set in general.

[Eric72]

Hi Josh,

I have the Old Judge book, think it is outstanding, and highly recommend that you pick up a copy. The folks who put it together did an excellent job.

Best regards,

Eric

[shernan30]

Here is the link to a write up on Fred Mann:
http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/3b8d1e5f

I'm working on a bio of Wild Bill Widner now, but its far from complete.

As far as the Goodwin OJ book, its highly recommended if you even the slightest interest in the set. Pictures of nearly every pose issued, short bios about the players, team lists, rarity lists, how they were produced, etc... The list can go on and on. My copy gets used at least once every week if not more.

Steven

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by shernan30

Here is the link to a write up on Fred Mann:
http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/3b8d1e5f

I'm working on a bio of Wild Bill Widner now, but its far from complete.

As far as the Goodwin OJ book, its highly recommended if you even the slightest interest in the set. Pictures of nearly every pose issued, short bios about the players, team lists, rarity lists, how they were produced, etc... The list can go on and on. My copy gets used at least once every week if not more.

Steven

Here's an N173 style studio cabinet photo of Fred Mann. I knew if I waited long enough, there would be a tread I could post this on and still be on topic. The OJ book is a great resource guide. Nice list of names and I think any additional research just adds to the fun..Rob

[bcornell]

How many threads have we seen in the 14-year history of this board where people have begged for a magazine or a book or any type of reference that could help you learn about the hobby? Yet, when we finally get one, we hear "too expensive".

The OJ book costs $125. That's the price of a VG T206 HOFer today, I believe. Put another way, how much would you pay for the info in the 30-year-old Lipset encyclopedias? These are the only good books published in this hobby. C'mon.

Bill

[oaks1912]

Well put Bill...I bought the book when new at $125 and felt then and now that it was an incredible value at that level. Thousands of man hours of original research went into it....... Besides that, plagiarism (stealing information and images) isn't research !!

Originally Posted by bcornell

How many threads have we seen in the 14-year history of this board where people have begged for a magazine or a book or any type of reference that could help you learn about the hobby? Yet, when we finally get one, we hear "too expensive".

The OJ book costs $125. That's the price of a VG T206 HOFer today, I believe. Put another way, how much would you pay for the info in the 30-year-old Lipset encyclopedias? These are the only good books published in this hobby. C'mon.

Bill

[shernan30]

Get the book. Sell a card or two if you have too.

Thanks for the website note.


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[oldjudge]

Not on your list, but just came across this interesting short bio of Jack Clements:

http://phillysportshistory.com/2011/...was-a-phillie/

[Joshchisox08]

What's the cheapest you can get an OJ for? I know that the SMR prices seem to be NO WHERE near what the market is for them.

For instance commons in "Poor"/PSA 1 condition supposedly go for $45. But the ONLY Dick Buckley I can find on eBay has been sitting there forever. It used to be about $200 now it's down to $99. I'd gladly pay $45 for it lol.

Any way OJ's ever sniff that SMR price era ?

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

What's the cheapest you can get an OJ for? I know that the SMR prices seem to be NO WHERE near what the market is for them.

For instance commons in "Poor"/PSA 1 condition supposedly go for $45. But the ONLY Dick Buckley I can find on eBay has been sitting there forever. It used to be about $200 now it's down to $99. I'd gladly pay $45 for it lol.

Any way OJ's ever sniff that SMR price era ?

It's possible to get a respectable-looking OJ for under $100 if you're patient and know what to look for. It helps if you're willing to buy raw. For $45, you might be able to get a total beater with a faded photo, but that's about it; certainly not anything with a numerical grade from PSA or SGC.

[Joshchisox08]

Thanks for the info Dave !

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Not on your list, but just came across this interesting short bio of Jack Clements:

http://phillysportshistory.com/2011/...was-a-phillie/

Thanks for the info on Jack Clements - didn't know too much on him, but can print that bio to keep with his N173...

[buymycards]

The Krause Standard Catalog has a decent checklist. Well over 2000 OJ's are listed.

Rick

[sreader3]

Purchasing Jay, Richard and Joe's beautiful OJ book does not take money away from buyer's collecting budget. The book is a collectible in its own right.