Cutting sheets

[ksabet]

I am curious in the Mastro thread it was mentioned that virtually every sheet is being purchased in order to cut it up.

Question: If a card is hand cut in 2015 or factory cut from a sheet in 1933 what is the difference. All sheets were meant to be cut into cards so is there a real issue with it being done at a later date.

I see a big difference between this and what Topps and Donruss does to bats or jerseys.

This question is purely for my own education.

[Jobu]

My thought on this is that these cards may not be hand cut. I assume that the types of cutting instruments used are still around and perhaps even still used today. So it is entirely possible that someone is cutting sheets using the same, or highly similar, technology. As far as I know, this would be difficult, if not impossible, to detect. I might be way off base on this, but I have always wondered about it.

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by Jobu

My thought on this is that these cards may not be hand cut. I assume that the types of cutting instruments used are still around and perhaps even still used today. So it is entirely possible that someone is cutting sheets using the same, or highly similar, technology. As far as I know, this would be difficult, if not impossible, to detect. I might be way off base on this, but I have always wondered about it.

Sure I get that but as far as the ethics go, does it matter if it was cut in 1933 or 2015?

Its not fake or a reprint it is an actual card just cut in a different era. I am just curious why this would be frowned upon.

[Peter_Spaeth]

It may sound circular, but an original card is one cut contemporaneously at the factory. Someone hacking up a sheet decades later is not creating original cards one reason being that alhough the doctors are good the cut will not be the same. Nor will the historical imprecision of centering problems rough cuts etc. be the same. It's just more card doctoring plain and simple, even if they look pretty.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It may sound circular, but an original card is one cut contemporaneously at the factory. Someone hacking up a sheet decades later is not creating original cards one reason being that alhough the doctors are good the cut will not be the same. Nor will the historical imprecision of centering problems rough cuts etc. be the same. It's just more card doctoring plain and simple, even if they look pretty.

but back in 1933 someone chose not to cut the sheets knowing they could get cut later...I don't see a problem in cutting them later.....the sheets are part of the additional population out there..it not like they are cheap to buy ..I thought they actually sell for more than the cards would go card for card anyway... I do see the other side to it...its a close call ....I would buy the holder not the card here..if size is right and its authentic and in a PSA holder.is a real card..

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

but back in 1933 someone chose not to cut the sheets knowing they could get cut later...I don't see a problem in cutting them later.....the sheets are part of the additional population out there..it not like they are cheap to buy ..I thought they actually sell for more than the cards would go card for card anyway... I do see the other side to it...its a close call ....I would buy the holder not the card here..if size is right and its authentic and in a PSA holder.is a real card..

One man's ceiling is another man's floor. To me they are doctored cards. And if the grading services know they are sheet cut they won't grade them. PS Sheets survived for various reasons by historic accident, but not because the intent was to cut them later.

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

One man's ceiling is another man's floor. To me they are doctored cards. And if the grading services know they are sheet cut they won't grade them. PS Sheets survived for various reasons by historic accident, but not because the intent was to cut them later.

I understand your point and subconsciously I feel uncomfortable with it as well. Not sure why though, it seems different from adding paper or trimming below size requirements or soaking.

I don't want to debate "The Card" again but would this fall into the category of sheet cutting? If it meets all the requirements just done at a later time is it really "altered"?

[tschock]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It may sound circular, but an original card is one cut contemporaneously at the factory. Someone hacking up a sheet decades later is not creating original cards one reason being that alhough the doctors are good the cut will not be the same. Nor will the historical imprecision of centering problems rough cuts etc. be the same. It's just more card doctoring plain and simple, even if they look pretty.

Maybe we should go with 'Type 1' vs 'Type 2' cut?

[MacDice]

Why would you want to cut it from a sheet? Isn't an uncut sheet harder to find than a single card?

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by MacDice

Why would you want to cut it from a sheet? Isn't an uncut sheet harder to find than a single card?

Harder to find maybe but not nearly as valuable as high grade singles

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by MacDice

Why would you want to cut it from a sheet? Isn't an uncut sheet harder to find than a single card?

A sheet is harder to find, but some collectors that cut sheets hope to get 132 perfect cards for centering & corners or however many cards are on that particular sheet. The sum of the prices for "perfect" cards, if graded would probably be substantially more than the sheet cost.

Z