Mantle Vintage Opinions - 10,000 thread asking about his signature

[MacDice]

My parents purchased this card for me as a Christmas / Birthday gift around 1984 from Kit Young Cards. This card started my quest to get the entire 1957 set signed.

Pulled it out of my safety deposit box today...anyone familiar with his vintage signature or clubhouse signature want to give me an opinion on this prior to sending it off to PSA?

[Sophiedog]

I believe you forgot to include the scan Sir

[MacDice]

I inserted the image code and can see it when I view the thread

http://net54baseball.com/picture.php...ictureid=18820

[travrosty]

i added it so all can see. i believe this is the one you are referring to.

[MacDice]

Thank you Travis

[shelly]

I have no picture

[Lordstan]

If that is what you mean, then why not say that? Instead you make a comment that a whole slew of people, not just me, interpreted very differently. If I, and others, are telling you that we find your comment snide and insulting, why are you arguing about it? Why are defending the comment when you can clearly see it bothers people. If you are trying to provide comfort to people who got taken, but instead are insulting people, even if unintentionally, why wouldn't you just say sorry I didn't realize you guys would take it that way. I'll be clearer in my meaning next time.

I am a survivor of testicular cancer so I know how serious it is, but apparently, you don't understand the point of an analogy. It's the use of 2 different things to point out an area of similarly. Cancer and autographs are 2 very different things, but what was being compared in my example was the response to the question vs how you responded here. I was not comparing cancer to autographs.
I am done with this discussion.

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[1952boyntoncollector]

Still your cancer analogy makes no sense...people have doctors that they treat with and have a lot of information by the time they go on any forum...people that buy signed cards probably didn't consult with someone with an advanced degree on autographed collectibles, people don't typically dig up as much information as they would if it was a life and death decision.........making healthcare decisions are a lot more difficult then buying collectibles.....I would imagine that more people use net54 as their only source of information to make a purchase decision than people would rely on a healthcare forum as their only source to make a life and death decision..

there would be no reason for me to make a comment like you suggested in your analogy which I wont repeat ....the people would already know that....however people who post and read on net54 may not know what typical responses are to people asking for advise whether something is real or not...and they may have comfort in knowing that they aren't the only one that possibly got cheated..

I still think its in poor taste to compare cancer to cards. (that's great to hear about your recovery by the way as an aside ) ...people collect things to escape the world and problems... ..yes I understand that analogies involve 2 different things..but you could of used another different thing and not cancer in your analogy...I would suggest you use a different and better analogy...... 'buy the card not the holder' is a common comment that everyone knows about that no one takes issue with even if some people may think at certain times it does appear snide.....you cant please everyone 100% of the time.. ..if my 3 posts out of my 1000 offended anyone in which I stated an agreed fact... I certainly didn't intend to do that.

--Incidentally I just took a look at the prior thread where one of my first 2 of those dreaded 3 posts came--- I hadn't even seen it since my famous comment there...I can see some people didn't take issue at all with what I said and I can also see people going on and on even though I didn't make any other comment ever again on the thread.......I guess we could of had this long discussion over and done with if I bothered to check out the thread before now!!

[MacDice]

This thread has really gone off rail quickly

[Lordstan]

First. Thanks for the words about my recovery.


Now, if I were comparing cancer to cards, it would be in poor taste, but I am comparing the responses to questions. The subject matter is immaterial to the fact that answering a question with some general knowledge point is of no benefit to the OP.
You are making an assumption that the person asking here has had no other input on the item they are asking about and that the person in my example has already seen a team of doctors. Neither assumption may be correct. I happen to be a physician and I can tell you that many many many people go to the internet before they speak to their physician. Suppose that person saw their PCP who gave them the diagnosis, but hadn't seen the specialist yet to get the details of the treatment? BTW, people don't treat with doctors. They get treatment from or get treated by doctors.

I guess I just don't understand why you don't get the fact that your comment has been taken, by a number of people here as being snide and insulting. If this many people agree, why aren't you willing to just accept the critique of your statement and improve it the next time?

It's pretty hypocritical of you to not accept our opinion that your statement is, at worst, insulting, and, at best, not projecting the message you say you are trying to communicate, but you are telling me that I should use a different analogy because the one I chose is insensitive. You know what's really insensitive? Having people tell you comments you are making are insulting to them and then refusing to admit that they might be and/or trying to understand why and/or making a change so that the people aren't insulted.
Think what you want, but your analogy of buy the card not the holder is not in any way the same or a helpful comparison in this situation. Respond or not if you wish, but obviously you don't want to hear that many of the people here find your comment insulting. Keep on using it, but don't be surprised if you ever come over for help that you get no responses. Well I just realized it doesn't matter because you already know that we'll say it's fake because that's what we always do here.

[1952boyntoncollector]

It is ironic that you do agree with 'buy the card not the holder' because by just doing that..someone may have just bought a card that wasn't graded..cause the card had great eye appeal for example and they loved the signature .....but now it turns out the autograph was not authenticated by PSA and the forum says its fake. (as they do the great majority of the time) ...buying the card not the holder isn't always 'an excellent piece of advice'.....also if you want to sell a card eventually and not lose your money, you may want to consider the holder more than you would suggest with that comment....a psa holder may sell better than a sgc holder ..as another example and to acknowledge if that phrase is only be taken with graded cards........yet you take no issue with that being repeated over and over

its ironic that a guy may buy the card and not the holder and end up right here questioning the authenticity.....


"Just because you had 997 good posts doesn't mean that these 3 aren't bad. " I agree with you on that...I can have bad posts..just as im sure anyone else with 1000 posts cant all have great posts like I said its just 3 posts out of 1000 ..wasn't like I say it a lot...

"you that many many many people go to the internet before they speak to their physician. Suppose that person saw their PCP who gave them the diagnosis, but hadn't seen the specialist yet to get the details of the treatment" my point exactly, eventually they do consult with a specialist, a medical doctor that will guide them with their decision..they just don't go by what they are told on the internet..i know I have made decisions on buying a card just from one post on a forum....its just cardboard.....if its a life a death health decision I don't do that...and I also have a doctor to speak with........that's why I thought your analogy was not great

Leon has said on threads in the past in general terms as I forget the specifics but that he cant make everyone happy and people will disagree...I don't see him worrying about all the things you want me to worry about. on those 3 posts..... but I wont say the comment anymore in the autograph forum...im not here to fight or be stubborn....if I would of read the posts in that past thread you cited I wouldn't of posted it again this time...but this time I saw the comment on my comment so that is why we are off the rails


and man do you always have your bases covered....I talk about cancer...you just recovered from cancer...I bring up a doctor in an example..you are a doctor....I am going to have to comment about an Antelope in space next time to ensure you don't have some advanced knowledge or specific respected point of view on the subject matter. so at least I have a chance..

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

and man do you always have your bases covered....I talk about cancer...you just recovered from cancer...I bring up a doctor in an example..you are a doctor....I am going to have to comment about an Antelope in space next time to ensure you don't have some advanced knowledge or specific respected point of view on the subject matter. so at least I have a chance..

That won't work either as I used to be in NASA and am now working for a private aerospace company. I just came back from a recent space trip where we took some animals into space to see how they did.

Nah. Just kidding.