Split-personality of the 350/460 series..re: AB460, BL460, SC460, HINDU & UZIT T206's

[tedzan]

American Lithographic designated 66 subjects for this intermediate 350/460 series in their last press runs of the SOVEREIGN 350 cards (printing them with "apple green"
backs). Were these 66 subjects printed on one sheet ? Or, were they printed in 2 groups on separate sheets. It appears that the 350/460 subjects were indeed printed in
two stages, as is evident in the mutually-exclusive printing pattern of their 460-type backs. Proof of this is provided here (Group 1), and in the following post (Group 2).

OK....T206 production process first pre-printed sheets of the fronts. Followed by printing the various T-brand backs in response to orders from the Tobacco factory's thru
out the U.S. The T206's were cut from the completed sheets and shipped to their respective factory to be inserted in the cigarette packs. A Federal Law required that the
T-brand advertisement backs identify the Factory # and its District for tax purposes.

1st group of the 350/460 series......35 subjects printed with these four 460-type backs (circa..late 1910 > early 1911).

SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 25

SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42

Red HINDU

BROAD LEAF 460


1......Ames (hands over head)
2......Baker
3......Bender (no trees)
4......M. Brown (Chicago)
5......Chance (portrait-yellow)
6......Chase (blue)
7......Chase (dark cap)
8......Cobb (red portrait)
9......Davis (A's)
10....Donlin (bat)
11....Doolan (bat)
12....Dougherty (arm in air)
13....Downey (bat)
14....Larry Doyle (bat)
15....Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
16....Evers (Chicago-yellow sky)
17....Griffith (bat)
18....Johnson (pitching)
19....Joss (pitching)
20....Kleinow (Boston)
21....Konetchy (glove low)
22....Magee (bat)
23....Mathewson (dark cap)
24....McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
25....Murphy (batting)
26....O'Leary (hands on knees)
27....Reulbach (no glove)
28....Rucker (throwing)
29....Seymour (throwing)
30....Snodgrass (catching)
31....Stahl (glove)
32....Street (fielding)
33....Sweeney (fielding)
34....Willis (throwing)
35....CYoung (glove)


PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42......The one exception to this mutually-exclusive rule is the PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42 back, which is common to all 63 of these subjects.

Note....Twenty 350/460 series subjects have yet to be confirmed with the LENOX brand. Therefore, I have not included LENOX in this analysis since a discernible pattern
is not quite evident at this time. It's still a work in progress.


The 2nd group of 350/460 subjects continues in the next post here.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

2nd group in the 350/460 series = 28 subjects printed with the AB 460 & UZIT backs. It's significant to note that this 2nd group of 28 subjects are mutually-exclusive with
the 1st group of 35 subjects with respect to their backs. This tells us that these two groups were printed independent of one another on their own sheets.

Furthermore, please note my use of the word "subjects" (instead of cards). We do not actually know how many cards were printed on the standard size sheets. These group
numbers (35 and 28) are rather small. It's very likely that the 1st group of subjects were Double-Printed (D-P) on a 72-card sheet. I have several 350/460 series T206's with
double-same-names....indicative of D-P. Or perhaps, even Triple-Printed on a 108-card sheet. The same multiple printing format applies to the 2nd group of 28 subjects.


2nd group of the 350/460 series......28 subjects printed with these two 460-type backs (circa..Feb/Mar 1911).

AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 (Factory 42)

UZIT


1......Berger
2......Bradley (bat)
3......Burch (fielding)
4......Cobb (bat off)
5......Conroy (bat)
6......Crawford (bat)
7......Jennings (one hand)
8......Jennings (two hands)
9......Jordan (bat)
10....Lajoie (bat)
11....Lake (no ball)
12....Leach (cap)
13....Leifield (bat)
14....Manning (pitching)
15....McQuillan (bat)
16....Mullin (bat)
17....Overall (yellow sky)
18....Pelty (vertical)
19....Pfeister (throwing)
20....Smith (Chicago & Boston)
21....Steinfeldt (bat)
22....Tinker (bat off)
23....Wagner (bat on right)
24....Doc White (pitching)
25....Wilhelm (bat)
26....Willetts
27....Willis (bat)
28....Wiltse (pitching)


PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42......The one exception to this mutually-exclusive rule is the PIEDMONT 460 Factory #42 back, which is common to all 63 of these subjects.

Note....Twenty 350/460 series subjects have yet to be confirmed with the LENOX brand. Therefore, I have not included LENOX in this analysis since a discernible pattern
is not quite evident at this time. It's still a work in progress.



TED Z
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[t206hound]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Furthermore, please note my use of the word "subjects" (instead of cards). We do not actually know how many cards were printed on the standard size sheets. These group
numbers (35 and 28) are rather small. It's very likely that the 1st group of subjects were Double-Printed (D-P) on a 70-card sheet (I have several 350/460 series T206's with
"2 same-names" on them that attest to them D-P). Or perhaps, even Triple-Printed on a 105-card sheet.
TED Z
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The most recent list of two (different) name cards yields zero instances from any of the 460 printings:
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...142480&page=31

Regardless of how many columns there were on a sheet, I would think it is highly probable that each column on the 460 sheets contained the same player thereby only allowing for double (same) name miscuts. That said, someone producing a two-namer with a 460 back would be a quick way to refute that guess.

[sreader3]

Hi Ted,
Wanted to acknowledge your research. Need time to process. Have a vacation coming up second week of June so that will be a good time.
Scot

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Hi Ted,
Wanted to acknowledge your research. Need time to process. Have a vacation coming up second week of June so that will be a good time.
Scot

Thanks....I would appreciate your inputs regarding what I have presented here with respect to the printing of these tougher 460-type backs on the 350/460 series subjects.


Enjoy your vacation.


TED Z
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[parkerj33]

Ted, is that a typo in your first post? you first say 66 subjects but then go on to list two groups adding up to 63 subjects.....

[tedzan]

This is a double (same) name card of Frank Smith (Chicago & Boston). It is from my AB 460 sub-set....and, this card is a very tough AB 460 to find.
I have (or have traded away) several double (same) name cards that have 460-type backs. I'll see what other scans I have available to show.






TED Z
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[tedzan]

Double Post.