Saco River T206s....

[CMIZ5290]

I have had many emails about these cards graded by SGC, and the fact they are over graded (for the most part), and alot of you already know that. I think this goes back to the dislike of PSA by a large portion of the members. Why is this? What is so special about SGC, and so negative pertaining PSA? Re-sale wise, it's not even close. A PSA 7 common is worth around $600, an SGC 84 is around $350. And then there's the Standard Biscuit situation.....Nobody seems to want to talk about that...Why is that?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

I have had many emails about these cards graded by SGC, and the fact they are over graded (for the most part), and alot of you already know that. I think this goes back to the dislike of PSA by a large portion of the members. Why is this? What is so special about SGC, and so negative pertaining PSA? Re-sale wise, it's not even close. A PSA 7 common is worth $600, an SGC 84 is around $350. And then there's the Standard Biscuit situation.....Nobody seems to want to talk about that...Why is that?

So there is an almost 100% increase due to the flip?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Leon

So there is an almost 100% increase due to the flip?

Not just the flip Leon, but the quality of the card as well. I have many SGC 84's that would not cross to PSA 6.5's., maybe not even 6's.. You guys know what I'm talking about....This is simply not a PSA friendly board, is that fair to say?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Not just the flip Leon, but the quality of the card as well. I have many SGC 84's that would not cross to PSA 6.5's., maybe not even 6's.. You guys know what I'm talking about....This is simply not a PSA friendly board, is that fair to say?

How about showing some examples Kevin?

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Leon

How about showing some examples Kevin?

Come on Leon, are you kidding me? How long have you been collecting as well as me?

[ullmandds]

I agree with Kevin...PSA is great...I mean this looks graded accurately, right?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

Come on Leon, are you kidding me? How long have you been collecting as well as me?

Nice deflection.

[Econteachert205]

I'm not as high end of a collector as many on the board. I will buy either if it's a card I need but prefer psa graded for a few reasons.
1. If I upgrade a card I can resell for better money with psa
2. I prefer the 1-10 system

Other than that I've seen very inaccurate grades from both companies.

[HRBAKER]

I thought we had a whole thread on the Standard Biscuits.

I don't send any cards to anyone anymore but when I did I sent to SGC bc I felt their overall knowledge about what they were looking at when it came to prewar was vastly superior and their holder looked better.

[ricktmd]

I agree with Kevin PSA grades smarter and tougher . Their cards routinely sell for more to set registry collectors and others. It is a safer and better investment to collect PSA. I bought 4 cards in the Saco River auction 2 out of the 4 did not cross evenly. An SGC 60 Gandil with the AB back was given a PSA 4 . Their S74 silk grading is all over the board and inconsistent. Factory folds get a 40's but horribly frayed silks get 5's. They routinely miss problems with Fatima T200's which never cross to PSA.

The fiasco with the forged Standard Biscuit cards is outrageous . They graded a large number of forged W575-1 strip cards that were crudely cut . The edges were jagged on two sides and the back crudely stamped and smudged. I bought one and it was obvious without a loop in person. Missing this forgery was ridiculous and is proof that the very basic fundamental task of authenticity was missed let alone grades of SGC 84's . I don't know if anyone stopped the Ruth card that was over 50,000.00 in Hunts auction. SGC is easier to deal with, less money and more card friendly but unfortunately they often misjudge altered cards and over grade

[The Nasty Nati]

Let's not overlook the fact that PSA screwed up on their first ever graded card...the TRIMMED PSA "8" Honus Wagner.

Way to start your company off with a forgery bang.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by The Nasty Nati

Let's not overlook the fact that PSA screwed up on their first ever graded card...the TRIMMED PSA "8" Honus Wagner.

Way to start your company off with a forgery bang.

You mean their company was built on a lie?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ricktmd

I agree with Kevin PSA grades smarter and tougher . Their cards routinely sell for more to set registry collectors and others. It is a safer and better investment to collect PSA. I bought 4 cards in the Saco River auction 2 out of the 4 did not cross evenly. An SGC 60 Gandil with the AB back was given a PSA 4 . Their S74 silk grading is all over the board and inconsistent. Factory folds get a 40's but horribly frayed silks get 5's. They routinely miss problems with Fatima T200's which never cross to PSA.

The fiasco with the forged Standard Biscuit cards is outrageous . They graded a large number of forged W575-1 strip cards that were crudely cut . The edges were jagged on two sides and the back crudely stamped and smudged. I bought one and it was obvious without a loop in person. Missing this forgery was ridiculous and is proof that the very basic fundamental task of authenticity was missed let alone grades of SGC 84's . I don't know if anyone stopped the Ruth card that was over 50,000.00 in Hunts auction. SGC is easier to deal with, less money and more card friendly but unfortunately they often misjudge altered cards and over grade

Hey Rick
You probably need your name out here to post that kind of opinion. Same with everyone in this thread. If you give an opinion you need your name in your post/sig line/thread, per forum rules.

As for mistakes. We/they all make them. It's how they are handled that set folks apart. Think about that for a while....

[toledo_mudhen]

Just to stir a bit more - I prefer the look (and consistency) of SGC. Personal experience for me is that roughly 25% of PSA 7s will cross to an SGC 84 and have only had 1 ever cross from a 7 to an 86. On the plus side - well purchased PSAs are pretty easy to flip when they dont cross. I like moonshine.