Hurricane Carter ..rip

[JimStinson]

Just found out he passed today ..another sad day , Great boxer but even greater "human" story ..sad
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[JimStinson]

"Hatred and bitterness and anger only consume the vessel that contains them. It doesn't hurt another soul," Carter told CNN. "If I were to allow myself to continue to feel that anger and the bitterness of being a victim, I would have never survived prison itself. Prison can deal with anger; prison can deal with hatred because prison is about all those things. So I had to overcome those things."

[Big Dave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgDx...e_gdata_player

[Jim65]

The man murdered 3 people, no matter what one idiot judge said. I hope his death was extemely painful.

[Big Dave]

He did not murder those three and there is plenty of evidence against that, but none for a trumped up conviction. Research and perhaps your mind won't be so closed. Not saying he was an angel or anything near that, but he didn't kill those people in the bar.

Cops lie all the time, fabricate evidence, break the law, bend the rules, , everything. Especially back during those times against minorities. Not much has really changed either.

[Jim65]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

He did not murder those three and there is plenty of evidence against that, but none for a trumped up conviction. Research and perhaps your mind won't be so closed. Not saying he was an angel or anything near that, but he didn't kill those people in the bar.

Cops lie all the time, fabricate evidence, break the law, bend the rules, , everything. Especially back during those times against minorities. Not much has really changed either.

I have done research. Ruben was convicted twice and set free by a judge who didn't even say he was innocent. The problem with this case has always been that people base their opinions on his book and later on the movie, on which Ruben was a consultant. His book and the movie are full of fabricatiions and outright lies. Why does he need to lie if he ws innocent?

[Bpm0014]

You are correct Jim65

[Big Dave]

Both convictions were overturned on appeal, and the prosecution decided not to try the case a third time, thus the Judge granted the PROSECUTION'S request to
drop all proceedings. Never read the book nor seen any movie.

Apparently there were a lot of problems with the prosecutor's case since it was overturned both times and they decided not to try it a third time.

[Westsiders]

Originally Posted by Jim65

I have done research. Ruben was convicted twice and set free by a judge who didn't even say he was innocent. The problem with this case has always been that people base their opinions on his book and later on the movie, on which Ruben was a consultant. His book and the movie are full of fabricatiions and outright lies. Why does he need to lie if he ws innocent?

+1

Great point about fabrications and lies. As I've learned many years ago...a lie has many versions, while the truth only has one.

[Big Dave]

And that is why his two convictions were overturned by multiple judges....Prosecutional misconduct, fabrications, and outright lies.

But what the heck, people will believe what they want, regardless of the facts.

[JimStinson]

I was asked to screen the movie "The Hurricane" shortly after its release , by some newspaper or TV station , I honestly can't remember which.
I did and I told them the movie was 99% fiction , they DID spell his name right . The portrayal of his being "robbed" of the title in his title fight with Joey Giardello was the worst travesty as Giardello was a fighter that was old school, took on all comers and was afraid of no one. By Carter's own admission as told TO ME he thought he had found a chink in Joey's armor in the 2nd round but Giardello consummate boxer that he was saw it too and corrected it and from then on the fight was a boxing lesson. The fight was not even close. And Carter knew it even congratulated Joey after the fight and thanked him for the title shot , which actually should have went to Joey Archer, who had already beaten the bejesus out of Carter, But Rubin was ranked #1 and Joey did the right thing. In the movie the police and the detectives got a bad rap too.
His book from prison the 16th round was a good read , completely forthcoming ? Probably not .....but more on point than the movie.
Carter was imprisoned in Rahway NJ where I grew up and fact is during the prison riots according to many of the guards he helped to save lives including their own because of the sway he had among the inmates.
In the real world however he had a consummate knack for forgetting people when it was convenient for him. When he was released from prison, and in need of funds I arranged a private signing. He was charismatic and charming I suggested the lecture circuit. He was always available by phone ....and had numerous conversations , Until the movie came out...even then I was not the only one , of the numbers I had to call I was told "yea he cut us loose too"
Can't say I blame him I'd rather talk with Denzel Washington on the phone than me..
But later when he became a celebrity of causes , and Larry King talked about his being "robbed" in the Giardello fight , couldn't he have set the record straight ? instead of smiling and nodding.
So when it comes down to the truth or lack of it , that was a brutal triple murder that night on June 16th, 1966 over at the Lafayette Bar and Grill in Patterson New Jersey. And I was not there and neither was anyone reading this post. Do I have opinions ? Of course I do. But now the ultimate judge will render his verdict and will have nothing to do with testimony or evidence...and it will be the truth. The only thing worse than doing what someone did that night in the Lafayette, is NOT doing it and being accused of it.
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[2dueces]

Originally Posted by Jim65

I have done research. Ruben was convicted twice and set free by a judge who didn't even say he was innocent. The problem with this case has always been that people base their opinions on his book and later on the movie, on which Ruben was a consultant. His book and the movie are full of fabricatiions and outright lies. Why does he need to lie if he ws innocent?

Everyone should read the facts on this case. His alibi changed 16 times. His co defendant and his alibi never matched. So much wrong with his story. He was set free on a procedural error, not because of innocence. The movie and the book are out right lies to the facts. Anyone that has researched this for even 10 minutes cannot say this man is innocent.

[Westsiders]

Originally Posted by 2dueces

Everyone should read the facts on this case. His alibi changed 16 times. His co defendant and his alibi never matched. So much wrong with his story. He was set free on a procedural error, not because of innocence. The movie and the book are out right lies to the facts. Anyone that has researched this for even 10 minutes cannot say this man is innocent.

Completely agree. I saw the movie years ago, and naively assumed that he was an innocent man that was wrongfully convicted. After researching the case, I'm embarrassed that the wool was pulled over my eyes, and ashamed that I supported the movie with the purchase of my ticket. The research that I conducted was in hopes of supporting my position of innocence, but the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. I'm simply astounded at the level of support he received over the past 40+ years. Denzel Washington calling this man "all love" is simply laughable.

Unfortunately, the conviction of innocent people is something that unquestionably has, and still does occur....and thankfully there are some outstanding organizations that fight on their behalf. But in my opinion, this was not one of those cases.