What Part Does the SMR Play in Your Purchasing?

[Bosox Blair]

Since the question is raised on another thread, I thought a poll might be in order.

So what part (if any) does the SMR play in your purchasing/bidding behaviour?

[kmac32]

None

[asoriano]

Not at all.

[Jantz]

Zero



Jantz

[freakhappy]

I actually use it for a reference sometimes. But most of the time, I just look at past sales and don't bother with the SMR since it doesn't really reflect past sales.

I did use it just the other day to see the price of a Bazooka Mantle...it did help quite a bit b/c I had no idea of the price range. It was slabbed a PSA 5 and the seller had it listed at $300 and the SMR was $200, so I knew it was around that range somewhere, so it gave me a general idea. I don't take the SMR too seriously though.

[Piratedogcardshows]

It doesnt play any part in my decisions either.

[rdixon1208]

What is this SMR you speak of?

[HRBAKER]

Nada bit

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by Bosox Blair

So what part (if any) does the SMR play in your purchasing/bidding behaviour?

as a placeholder for my cup of tea when i put it down to make a bid on ebay.

[Publius]

Less than zero, as anyone quoting smr value I immediately think has no idea what they are doing.

[HOF Yankees]

none, I have one simple way of going about buying I ask myself this "How Much do I wanna pay", "And Can I afford it".

[Wite3]

Never has, never will.

[wonkaticket]

None.

[old-baseball]

Absolutely NONE

[Runscott]

zippo.

[leaflover]

I use it quite often. When I put my duplicates up using the "auction format" on Ebay, I start them at 50 percent of SMR values.

[Gradedcardman]

Nada

[Sixtofan]

None. I am always surprised how much SMR conversation there is, given its irrelevance to the vintage collector

[Texxxx]

It makes a really good fly swatter when a fly lands on my cards.

[Bosox Blair]

Hi guys,

Thanks for the responses - I actually didnt realize this thread was up! I tried to create a poll for the first time and it didn't seem to work, so I thought the thread wasn't posted...LOL .

But I'm glad people are responding anyway!

Cheers,
Blair

[Tim Kindler]

None!

I get SMR once a year! I use it for reading while I'm standing in line to get in at the National from 9:30- 10:00 on Saturday morning each year after I get my free copy.

[JasonL]

and I throw away the magazine as soon as I see that one of my favorite players isn't featured within, and that usually takes 10 seconds to accomplish. The only reason it doesn't take 5 seconds is that the table of contents is so darn diffucult to locate!

[Danny Smith]

Totally worthless

[freakhappy]

I guess PSA didn't get the memo when people stopped using Beckett monthly as a guide...

[sox1903wschamp]

Zero/Zilch/Nada. We actually have an SMR acronym for a Merchandising program for the company I work for and I just roll my eyes every time it is referenced because it reminds me negatively of my hobby

[Fred]

Is the SMR that Pretty Stupid Assesment tool that some people use to try and figure out what their card board is worth? To me a card that you collect is worth what you're willing to pay for it.

[YankeeCollector]

Useless and antiquated

[bbcard1]

I don't really use any price guide any more. The issues I am collecting is widely traded and as a rule I can figure it out. I do take my free issue at the national.

[bcbgcbrcb]

None for me but I can see it as a useful tool for registry collectors though.

[HRBAKER]

David/Mike,

There's a difference between saying you think people aren't telling the truth and the fact that regular users of the SMR may choose to not post in the thread. I am telling the truth.
Like I said in the other thread it may be the case vast numbers/majority of vintage collectors use it (for pricing), that's not my impression though.

[gnaz01]

I show it to my wife when I buy a card and tell her what a deal I just got

[tbob]

Absolutely none.

[irishdenny]

None... I'm with Dennis Purdy on this one!

[bobbyw8469]

VCP is a good tool, but it misses alot of sales. It also doesn't take into account different variances within the same grade (ie - butt ugly card vs beautifully centered, undergraded specimens).

[Jaybird]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

VCP is a good tool, but it misses alot of sales. It also doesn't take into account different variances within the same grade (ie - butt ugly card vs beautifully centered, undergraded specimens).

It takes into account the variances by showing you a scan of the card. Then you can judge for yourself. I much prefer this method to someone else telling me what VG-EX means.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

VCP is a good tool, but it misses alot of sales. It also doesn't take into account different variances within the same grade (ie - butt ugly card vs beautifully centered, undergraded specimens).

WOW this is the first time I have had something like this thrown at me. So you want us to rank each of the graded cards as well? Like it was said I think giving the GOLD members at least the scan of the card that sold should suffice then they have all the ammunition to make a decent value.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by BobbyVCP

So you want us to rank each of the graded cards as well?

Bobby,

I don't think that's the way BobbyW meant it. When he said, "It (VCP) also doesn't take into account different variances within the same grade," I think he meant cards with qualifiers. At least that's the way I understood it.

In other words, a card with a qualifier is almost always going to sell for less money than a card without a qualifier. When you group cards with qualifiers with cards without qualifiers, it lowers the VCP average.

For example, look at this 1965 Yaz card.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-TOPPS-3...item4ab31b9b07

It sold for roughly 10% of VCP average ($378.69) of a regular PSA 9. Having that card with the qualifier grouped with the rest of the PSA 9s brings down the VCP average, does it not?.

Anyway, I think that's what BobbyW was referring to, but he can correct me if I am wrong. I don't think he was asking you to "rank each card." However, omitting cards with qualifiers (or listing them separately) would give a more accurate average price for a card.

[BobbyVCP]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Bobby,

I don't think that's the way BobbyW meant it. When he said, "It (VCP) also doesn't take into account different variances within the same grade," I think he meant cards with qualifiers. At least that's the way I understood it.

In other words, a card with a qualifier is almost always going to sell for less money than a card without a qualifier. When you group cards with qualifiers with cards without qualifiers, it lowers the VCP average.

For example, look at this 1965 Yaz card.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1965-TOPPS-3...item4ab31b9b07

It sold for roughly 10% of VCP average ($378.69) of a regular PSA 9. Having that card with the qualifier grouped with the rest of the PSA 9s brings down the VCP average, does it not?.

Anyway, I think that's what BobbyW was referring to, but he can correct me if I am wrong. I don't think he was asking you to "rank each card." However, omitting cards with qualifiers (or listing them separately) would give a more accurate average price for a card.

We have a separate section for cards with qualifiers called PSA-Q and if you look on the grid page with all the graders on it, there it is at the very bottom. We do know that cards with qualifiers are about 2 grades lower then ones with out. This is why we do not group them with the ones with out.

[bh3443]

Hi,
I've been following this thread, and thought some of you might like to see the court document from the Mark Lewis, Card Price Up-Date) vs Denny Eckes/Jim Beckett.
I found it interesting. I'd love to hear from those interested in reading it. Here's the link, enjoy!
http://openjurist.org/736/f2d/859/ec...-prices-update

Regards,
Bill Hedin