D350-3 Standard Biscuit (E121-like) issue date

[rhettyeakley]

I have long known this set was likely a 1921 issue and not a 1920 issue like the first run of Holsum cards due to the player selection. However, it is also very obvious these Standard Biscuit cards were issued before the E121 Series of 80 as there are players in the set not in E121 (Dave Davenport, Art Fletcher, etc.) and players whose images they changed (Bill Donovan).

Reasons pointing to 1921:
Rabbit Maranville was first w/ Pittsburgh in 1921
Walter Schang was first w/ the Yankees in 1921
Eppa Rixey was first w/ Cincinnati in 1921
etc.

Anyways, it isn't always that you find a card that can totally pinpoint the time when cards were distributed, but I recently purchased this card off ebay w/ no back image, normally I wouldn't be too happy about writing or the obvious trim job but in this case I'll make an exception...


The writing on back says... "Reced this July 5, 1921 [on] the train to Santa [Eva?]"

Anyways, I thought it was pretty cool

-Rhett

[Leon]

Very cool find Rhett.

[paul]

What month were the black sox booted from baseball? It's always seemed odd to me that Jackson and Cicotte are in the set if it's a 1921 issue?

[rhettyeakley]

I have never seen a Standard Biscuit Jackson or Cicotte and don't suspect they will ever be found.

The pair are included in the first print run of the Holsum Bread cards (that were produced in 1920) along with a Claude Williams. Holsum then made a second printing in 1921 as well and the checklist of that set (from what I have found) closely resembles this Standard Biscuit set--no Black Sox in either of those sets.

All of the guys were still actively participating in 1920 so it would make sense that they would have been included in a set made during the 1920 season

-Rhett

[nolemmings]

I really don't know how I missed that card- I search for Standard Biscuit and 1921 on almost a daily basis, and occasionally for Thomas himself.

Rhett, note that the typeset is different on the C in Cleveland than it is for the E-121 card of Pinch:


then note how the C in Cleveland is the same for his Henry A. Johnson card:


Does this tell us that the Henry Johnson type w-575's came out with Standard Biscuit and before E-121?

[rhettyeakley]

Todd, I was in the right place at the right time, someone had listed it with a BIN of 59.99 right before I checked ebay. It was a bit of a gamble as it did say Standard Biscuit in the title but it didn't actually picture the back of the card!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Also, the Henry Johnson's are 100% a 1921 issue BUT were issued almost simultaneously with the E121 Series of 80's, so just slightly after the Standard Biscuit, Herpolsheimer, Holsum(type 2's), and from what I can tell the Shotwell's. I suspect if you look at enough E121 Series of 80 card's of Pinch Thomas you would probably find ons with the funky "C"'s.