Last Night's Legendary Auction

[barrysloate]

I've just been told by someone who attended last night that the website is not up to date, so I've deleted my post.

[chiprop]

I wrote this on anoher thread, but this is more appropriate... "After checking out the Legendary website, it looks like many lots were either passed on or no bid. The remaining lots looked super weak on the selling price. Fredrick Ruth under $6k, t-208 under $4k, etc. I would have bid higher on both of those lots. I think the live auction process doesn't involve the masses and was a dis-service to the consigner. Was that the worst auction in the past 10 years, or am I missing something?"

[barrysloate]

Apparently the prices on the website are not the final ones. Someone who attended last night called me and said the were very strong indeed. For example, the website lists the George and Harry Wright CdV's selling for $13,200, but they in fact sold for three times that amount (around 39K).

[calvindog]

Was Doug's bellyache better? Or did he avoid last night's auction on the advice of his criminal attorney?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Was Doug's bellyache better? Or did he avoid last night's auction on the advice of his criminal attorney?

Hopefully he did not attend with a bid paddle -- reference to '07 live Mastro auction.

[Misunderestimated]

"he avoid last night's auction on the advice of his criminal attorney? "

-- Doug's attorney is a criminal?
Sorry, I've always wanted to write that.... I'm in the business.

[Merv Williams]

I had a fair amount of cards in I believe their most recent auction. As a matter of fact it was 6 different lots. All the lots sold and I have been paid except for the grading of cards without my knowledge. Apparently Doug doesn't know P S A is also in California. In the past I used Mastronet for several years without a problem. If grading was needed it was done at their expense. Doug however on his own had a bunch of my cards graded at my expense without consulting me. He has not returned a call (2 messages) and 1 e-mail nor has his associate Mark Theo (also 2 messages) returned a call. A little over $1,000.00 was deducted from his payment to me. I had to call Legendary to find out why the deduction. I have more product now but Doug apparently doesn't want it or I would have been contacted by now. My first call to Doug was June 25th of this year. I don't plan on using Doug or Legendary in the future for these reasons. I feel that I was cheated and that is not a good feeling.

Originally Posted by calvindog

Was Doug's bellyache better? Or did he avoid last night's auction on the advice of his criminal attorney?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by Merv Williams

I had a fair amount of cards in I believe their most recent auction. As a matter of fact it was 6 different lots. All the lots sold and I have been paid except for the grading of cards without my knowledge. Apparently Doug doesn't know P S A is also in California. In the past I used Mastronet for several years without a problem. If grading was needed it was done at their expense. Doug however on his own had a bunch of my cards graded at my expense without consulting me. He has not returned a call (2 messages) and 1 e-mail nor has his associate Mark Theo (also 2 messages) returned a call. A little over $1,000.00 was deducted from his payment to me. I had to call Legendary to find out why the deduction. I have more product now but Doug apparently doesn't want it or I would have been contacted by now. My first call to Doug was June 25th of this year. I don't plan on using Doug or Legendary in the future for these reasons. I feel that I was cheated and that is not a good feeling.

Merv - where you not aware of the issues with consignors not being paid that had been going on at the time you consigned?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by chiprop

I wrote this on anoher thread, but this is more appropriate... "After checking out the Legendary website, it looks like many lots were either passed on or no bid. The remaining lots looked super weak on the selling price. Fredrick Ruth under $6k, t-208 under $4k, etc. I would have bid higher on both of those lots. I think the live auction process doesn't involve the masses and was a dis-service to the consigner. Was that the worst auction in the past 10 years, or am I missing something?"

Dan my good friend,
So you had to be wrong in 2 threads instead of 1? One more thread and we might have a new record....

[nyyanksghr]

Calvindog- I heard that rumor too. I heard I sold it for less than a mill, I heard I sold it for 2 mill., and the best, I heard I traded it for the worlds best collection of Beanie babies. None of these rumors are true.

[calvindog]

John, you didn't answer my question. You've repeatedly suggested that you still own that Wagner. Maybe I'm a bit obtuse to have missed your answer in your last posting, but do you still possess the card?

[chiprop]

NO Leon, the Legendary site was wrong.

Let’s think of it this way… I got the information from a site that was inaccurate. The information may have been wrong (turned out to be). I was regurgitating their wrong information. Even though the information I had was wrong, I reiterated the info correctly. I.E… I was right! I love being right…

[nyyanksghr]

Too funny! I assumed everyone was aware that I had sold the PSA 5 Wagner. Sorry for not posting sooner and causing the confusion. I've openly discussed the sale with Doug Allen, JP, Frank Ceresi, Scott Goodman, and many others. No secret there. Going back and reading the posts, I can see where the conspiracy theories got started! Jeff said : "I had heard that you got rid of your 'less fun' Wagner not long after you bought it."
That was the big rumor the morning after I purchased the card. The story was that I sold the card the following day for a quick 100,000 profit. That is the rumor I assumed Jeff was speaking of. The rumors over the last year were strange and amusing, and not true. I should have been clearer when I answered Jeff by stating: Yes, I sold the card but not right after I bought it" The best rumor was that I traded it for a warehouse full of unopened Beanie Babie cases. To me, it was amazing that these wild stories with no basis for truth were being told as fact. The real story is plain boring. Doug Allen had all along let me know when and if I ever want to sell the card, the underbidder wanted it. I recently purchassed the photo archives of The Detrot News, SPORT magazine, and The Detroit Free Press...2.4 million total photos. The sale of the Wagner and other items in my collection partially financed those deals.
I couldn't keep the card in my house without upgarding our security system. It stayed in my bank drawer, which was where the "less fun Wagner" comment came. I will say, Honus knows how o throw a party. I drug him out of the bank to show him off at a party my wife threw for me in February. I'll post some pics later of the night. You'll get a kick out of the looks on peoples faces when they held it. Honus was the hit of the party! Sorry for not posting sooner and causing confusion. I usually log on NET54 just once every week or two(shame on me)

[calvindog]

John, you're right -- that's too funny. Hilarious even. I don't know why anyone could have been confused or misled, especially when a) you spoke about owning the card in the present tense and b) a number of board members congratulated you on owning two Wagners and although you posted subsequently you did not correct them. Also, the question of whether you owned two Wagners sat for 2 1/2 days...yet once the picture popped up you managed to find your way to Net 54. A real knee slapper!

By the way, in your last post you did not mention what a great guy Doug Allen is; you may want to edit your post and add that.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by nyyanksghr

Calvindog- I heard that rumor too. I heard I sold it for less than a mill, I heard I sold it for 2 mill., and the best, I heard I traded it for the worlds best collection of Beanie babies. None of these rumors are true.

Matt, not to mention this post, which clearly everyone should have interpreted as a statement that he had sold the card. I mean it's so damn obvious. In the immortal words of Joe South

Oh the games people play, now
Every night and every day, now
Never meaning what they say, now
Never saying what they mean

[Peter_Spaeth]

That's a lot of photos! If you looked through 1000 a day it would take you the next 7 years, by my calculations. Enjoy!!