Probstein123 Still amazed he is in business

[T205 GB]

How in the heck does he get these grades or people that bid roughly 50% of the time and retract 108 times and not be banned from bidding. It doesn't just smell like fish anymore

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T205-Gold-Bo...item53f4ec1fe7

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T205-Gold-Bo...item53f4ec28b3



Btw PSA F'ed that grade up on the T205 PSA 6 Kirb White #18903185 by about 4 grades. Talk about reach arounds

[thehoodedcoder]

there was a thread no more than 2 weeks ago about this. id append to that thread. it may get more attention.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=160673

kevin

[Matthew H]

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[T205 GB]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

there was a thread no more than 2 weeks ago about this. id append to that thread. it may get more attention.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=160673

kevin

I am well aware of that one and all the ones from a while back as well. This pertains to keeping him on the front line as an issue and bad seller

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

I am well aware of that one and all the ones from a while back as well. This pertains to keeping him on the front line as an issue and bad seller

If you want people to see "him" as a bad seller, you might want to put his name in the subject line. For many folks who simply read thread titles or don't click on the links (or check this thread months from now when the eBay links are dead), you'd never know what seller you're talking about.

The only reason you can even complain about this is because of the semi-transparent bidding system that ebay employs.

With AHs you can't see anything ... you think this would be more or less attractive to shills?

[chaddurbin]

i was following a '48 signed musial a couple weeks ago, last day bidding it got up to around $320...a pretty good price as prior ones sold for $200-$220. seller cancelled the auction early, next week it was in a probstein auction and ended a couple days ago for $580 . now suddenly 3 more musials has popped up because of this artificially inflated auction. lots more examples like this i've stopped bidding with this guy.

Quan Nguyen

[ngrow9]

Originally Posted by bubblebathgirl

The only reason you can even complain about this is because of the semi-transparent bidding system that ebay employs.

With AHs you can't see anything ... you think this would be more or less attractive to shills?

I realize this is probably a fruitless response, but one of the greatest downside risks of shilling in any auction system is that you outbid the field and get stuck with your own item. Should that happen on eBay, the actual out of pocket loss is rather minimal, basically just the listing fees (if any) and portion of the final price kept by eBay (around 9%). However, the odds of winning your own lot on eBay are quite low, because you can always retract a bid. So despite any transparency, there is little risk to shilling on eBay.

Conversely, should you outbid the field in an AH auction, your out-of-pocket loss will be much more significant, as you will owe both the hefty consignment fee as well as the bidder's premium. You could easily end up losing 1/3rd of the value of the item in the end. Moreover, it is much harder (if not impossible) to retract a bid.

Ergo, even though eBay may be a little more transparent, overall I believe the risk of shilling is greater on eBay than at an AH for the simple reasons that the risk of winning your own lot is much lower due to retraction, and the cost of winning your own lot is much lower than at an AH.