How many T206 Wagners ???

[quinnsryche]

I have seen many numbers thrown out there. Does anyone know how many ACTUAL T206 Honus Wagner cards are really out there? Without listing real names (for safety sake, maybe give a first and last initial some we don't duplicate in counting) does anyone know anyone who has a real one (not counting the graded ones). I have always wondered how someone can say in an article, etc. "there are about 50-75 copies out there" Has an official count ever been taken?

[Matthew H]

Have any of them been crossed over from psa to sgc? If so, have they been removed from psa pop reports? 34+9 there is also just one with beckett, right?

[mintacular]

Not enuff

[FrankWakefield]

First, I agree with Pat.

I've held one, and know 4 people that have had them, and I think one of those might have been included in that 50 - 75 quantity of yours. Lots of folks think that. I think there are a bunch of cards out there that the internet, show, board, and National folks never see and don't know about. I know there are. I think that if some folks think that there are maybe 75, that little ol' me knows of a few more, that there must be even more out there that aren't widely known, so there must be 120 to 150 or so. With that said, I again agree with Pat, not enough. Hope someone finds a big stash. If a stash of 800 of them were found, and the price on the card dropped down to that of a red Cobb portrait, would any of us lose our enchantment with the white border tobacco cards?? Not me.

[E93]

Of course we will never know exactly how many there are, but there are folks who have been around the hobby a long time, like Rob Lifson, for example, who have personally seen, sold, or know of the vast majority of the examples in the hobby. I trust their estimates when they put it at around 60-75. My guess is that they know of the ones Frank knows of.

If there are 75 Wagners out there and approximately 3 change hands per year (either publicly or privately), then that means the average Wagner owner holds their card for about 25 years. I can't imagine the average being much higher than that. I think if there were 120-150, we would see them more frequently.
JimB

[Baseball Rarities]

You cannot go by grading company's population reports - four of the best Wagners in the hobby have not even been graded.


I also think that 50 to 75 is a pretty good guestimate.

[49leaf]

Yes call me crazy! The pop reports are not right. I think there are about 40 total if that. The price goes up every year. Demand is bigtime. Because supply is low.

[ullmandds]

i agree that the figure of 50,60-75,80 is an extrapolation...and I believe this figure to be somewhat accurate...In my opinion there is NO way there are 100-150 t206 wagses...no way!

[Matthew H]

What 4 examples? I know the one in cooperstown is probably near mint but what other 3?

I know that busting a card out of a holder to get an unbiased second opinion is common so I think there might be less examples of the poor 1 grade then they have reported.

I have not seen a raw example at auction or heard of a private sale but I don't follow the card too close.

I have trouble with the 50+ raw card theory

[Baseball Rarities]

Matthew,

I doubt that the other three owners would be too happy with me if I posted their names. Two are members of this board and post. They can decide if they want you to know who they are. The other is a very well known collector who does not post. None of his collection is slabbed.

Kevin

Originally Posted by Matthew H

What 4 examples? I know the one in cooperstown is probably near mint but what other 3?

I know that busting a card out of a holder to get an unbiased second opinion is common so I think there might be less examples of the poor 1 grade then they have reported.

I have not seen a raw example at auction or heard of a private sale but I don't follow the card too close.

I have trouble with the 50+ raw card theory

[Matthew H]

I don't need to know who. I believe they are there.

[fkw]

For what its worth, I have scans of 28 of them (inc. the Proof).

Ive only been "collecting" the pics for 4-5 years now.

All scans are from internet or auction catalogs from 1988-2010.

I always say est.65