ALERT....Re-fronted (re-backed) Green Cobb with a Red HINDU back at the National

[tedzan]

I just got back from Chicago. The talk of the show (besides the theft) was this Cobb front / back NO-NO that was submitted to PSA for grading.
Those who saw this card at the show (prior to submission), said it was quite professionally done, as it looked authentic.

FORTUNATELY, PSA REJECTED THIS CARD.
I emphasize this since a bunch of these re-fronted T206's did get graded by both PSA and SGC when they first surfaced....they were that good.

This card was most likely the same one that was in circulation around 10 (or more) years ago when a rash of these professionally altered T206's
first surfaced in the hobby.


TED Z

[tedzan]

If you are new to the T206 game, here are the 7 backs that the green Cobb was printed with........

PIEDMONT 150
PIEDMONT 350
SOVEREIGN 150
SWEET CAP 150, Factory 25
SWEET CAP 150, Factory 30
SWEET CAP 350, Factory 30
OLD MILL


TED Z

[Abravefan11]

Originally Posted by tedzan

If you are new to the T206 game, here are the 8 backs that the green Cobb was printed with........

PIEDMONT 150
PIEDMONT 350
SOVEREIGN 150
SWEET CAP 150, Factory 25
SWEET CAP 150, Factory 30
SWEET CAP 350, Factory 30
brown HINDU
OLD MILL


TED Z

03/14/2011

"YOU PASSED THE TEST !

I threw that "Brown HINDU" Cobb out there to see how long it would take before someone caught me on this ?

I took 2 hrs and 19 mins.....very slow response."

[tedzan]

OK....touche !

Thanks Tim

I'm still suffering from "National fatigue" .... it will take me another day to return to normal.

The show was pretty good....buying and selling.

Regards,

TED Z

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by abravefan11

03/14/2011

"you passed the test !

I threw that "brown hindu" cobb out there to see how long it would take before someone caught me on this ?

I took 2 hrs and 19 mins.....very slow response."

lol

[atx840]

I am thinking this is authentic, Inside T206 doesn't list it as known (I know its a bit outdated).

[Abravefan11]

Chris my friend, you've opened a can of worms with that card.

Yes, the red Cobb/red Hindu is a good front back combo unlike the green Cobb/red Hindu. The problem with the card you posted is it's presumed to have come from a known card doctor and many people suspect that it has been altered, however few of these people have actually viewed the card in person. So though their concerns are valid they have no real evidence this card is no good. It has been authenticated by PSA, but other impossible front/back cards have passed the TPG's in the past so it's not a stretch to think that a rebacked or refronted card is in a holder. My hope is that another red Cobb/red Hindu will surface and make this example moot.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by atx840

I am thinking this is authentic, Inside T206 doesn't list it as known (I know its a bit outdated).

Personally I think this Red Cobb red Hindu is real. Not that it passed a TPG but it also passed Rob Lifson and he's pretty good at spotting issues with cards. Also, so far, I have not seen a re-backed T206 or other T card that looked that good, with no wrinkles or creases at all. I don't confess to be a T206 expert and have not held that card in hand though. regards

and one other thing...the owner who consigned it to REA isn't a card doctor, I don't think, though a doctor could have owned it at some point....

[Sean]

Originally Posted by tedzan

If you are new to the T206 game, here are the 7 backs that the green Cobb was printed with........

PIEDMONT 150
PIEDMONT 350
SOVEREIGN 150
SWEET CAP 150, Factory 25
SWEET CAP 150, Factory 30
SWEET CAP 350, Factory 30
OLD MILL


TED Z

Ted, I found this old thread. Is this info still correct? Or is there a Cobb green/ Sweet Cap 350, Factory 25?


PS- Here's my new Cobb:


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[edjs]

Originally Posted by Sean

Ted, I found this old thread. Is this info still correct? Or is there a Cobb green/ Sweet Cap 350, Factory 25?


PS- Here's my new Cobb:


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Sean, I was seventh under bidder on that baby! I was watching that from the get go, figured I had a chance, but turned out, you da man! Nice job.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Sean

Ted, I found this old thread. Is this info still correct? Or is there a Cobb green/ Sweet Cap 350, Factory 25?


PS- Here's my new Cobb:


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Sean,
There are Cobb (Green Portraits) with SC 350/25 Backs.
Cobb (Green) SC 350-25 PSA 3.jpg
Cobb (Green) SC 350-25 PSA 6.jpg

[Sean]

Thanks Pat. That's a great Cobb- PSA6. Is it yours?

[tedzan]

I have received a couple of emails asking why this green Cobb / red HINDU front/back combination is impossible ?







The Green Cobb was printed in the very 1st Series of T206's. The "150 Subjects" backs circa Summer of 1909. And,
was printed circa Fall/Winter of 1909 with its "350 Subjects" backs. Therefore, it is classified as a 150/350 subject.

The Red HINDU cards were printed circa Winter of 1910 (or early 1911) and only include subjects from the 350/460
series and the 460-only series subjects.

Therefore, based on these timelines a green Cobb / red HINDU card is an impossible printing.


Here is a link to a previous Net54 (Jan 2005) discussion on this subject......

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...red+hindu+back




TED Z

[tedzan]

OK.....since this thread has switched tracks from the Green Cobb line to the Red Cobb line, I am reprising the previous discussion regarding this Red Cobb
that was posted in a Jan 2010 thread. Check it out......

Where have all the Cobb HINDU's gone.....?

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ndu%27s&page=2


I have not accepted this red Cobb/red HINDU card as an original T206 from the first time I've seen it. It's provenance cannot be traced prior to circa mid-
to-late 1990's (the period of time when re-fronted T206 cards first surfaced).
I have collected 1000's of T206's, have seen at least another 50,000 T206's since 1981....but, no red HINDU Cobb. Sure, you can say that my T206 expe-
rience is anecdotal; however, multiply it by dozens of other "dinosaur" T206 collectors like me and none of us can account for such a card.

Incidently, here is my first red HINDU card of 6 that I have owned. I acquired this Donlin back in the 1980's.







POST SCRIPT....in the past year I have been privy to certain inside info regarding this red HINDU red Cobb card which further reinforces my skepticism of it.


TED Z

[atx840]

Originally Posted by Abravefan11

Chris my friend, you've opened a can of worms with that card.

I just thought it was pretty.

[atx840]

Very nice Sean!