Anyone ever see a Topps Xmas cello rack pack with different years cards?

[whiteymet]

Hi Gang:

Ever see a Topps Christmas Cello Rack Pack with cards from different years???

See: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-TOPPS-...0AAOSw7tRbFxxB

Two 58's on each side of a 59 Ashburn Mays card

Are ALL of these packs fake?

Fred

[darkhorse9]

"Fake" is a relative term here.

It's generally agreed these are an after-market product created by someone putting Topps cards into these racks and selling them. How contemporary the repacking was done is the big issue.

Although I haven't seen mixed years in any of these, others may have and it's not out of the realm of possibility.

The bottom line is...they are what they are...a grab bag of cards.

Trust but verify.

[ALR-bishop]

I do not think there is any doubt that these things are still being churned out today. When Murphy first surfaced them he argued that they were oringinally packaged second hand by a third party for sale at retail stores at Christmas. The 3d party and retail stores were never identified as far as I know. Nor is it clear when this packaging took place originally. Some say the 60s, some the 70s, some the 80s and some the 90s. Some say they can tell the "originals" by the staples or packaging. But no one argues they are a Topps product and everyone concedes they are used/handled/returned/excess cards.

Here is something I got from Murphy and Murphy's business partner when I asked about them early on

[SMPEP]

So I'm pretty sure I sold this seller the 1961 Topps Mathews Christmas Rack Pack that he also has for sale, and regardless based on the stickers on the rack packs, I can tell that the ones he has for sale originally came from:

http://christmasrackpacks.com/

This seller's "story" is some relative bought two huge cases of these way back when, and gives them to him to sell over time. He does a lot of private sales and doesn't let his buyers talk to each other (he blocks their ability to email other buyers - which I find suspicious). So I've never been able to confirm or deny whether there are good cards or not in these packs (although one of our board members opened several and got nothing worthwhile). I will also say ... over the 14 years of selling these that he advertises on his website ... he has sold thousands of these.

Oh, and I should mention, I bought 1 rack pack from him (for the novelty of opening cards - even if they weren't "real") and he "threw in" a freebie. I find that suspicious. If you weren't making them yourself, you'd have a limited supply of "good rack packs", and I would think you wouldn't want to give those away for free. Which is why I sold the 1961 Mathews pack. I actually still have the other one (since it was a freebie) - so would be interested to hear if others had positive stories buying racks from him.

Cheers,
Patrick

[JustinD]

I think they are all fake as a three dollar bill.

Some may be as old as the mid 80s as I don't remember any surfacing prior, but I agree with Al that they are still being made with an absolute ton hitting eBay in the last 5-7 years.

[1963Topps Set]

and most filled with over priced commons.

[yakker1128]

Actually, I DO remember specifically seeing rack packs for sale at Woolworth's in the early 1960's with both 1961 and 1960 Topps baseball cards included in the racks. I'm sure of it. Not positive that it was a TOPPS packager, but I am sure of what I saw.

[1963Topps Set]

I noticed in the original posting, you do not see the back of the pack to see what cards are there. Buyer beware as usual.

[ALR-bishop]

Yakkers--- what state/city ? As far as I know none of Murphy's packs were mixed

[T.S. OConnell]

This tiresome scam does not involve uncirculated cards in any of its various incarnations. Almost certainly created in the late 1990s, all of them are simply secondary-market cards and if you want to purchase them on that basis, fire away. The various markers that reveal this are there for anyone to see; cards are generally Ex or maybe Ex-Mt. One of the clever aspects to this con job involves people contending there are fake versions, etc., counting staples or other red herrings. They are all bogus.

[hockeyhockey]

has anyone ever pulled a good card in the middle of these christmas rack packs? the ones with stars on top are obviously buyer beware, but always curious if anyone ever found something legit inside.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by hockeyhockey

has anyone ever pulled a good card in the middle of these christmas rack packs? the ones with stars on top are obviously buyer beware, but always curious if anyone ever found something legit inside.

All are buyer beware, these are all frauds created by con men. You are not going to get anything good from one of these.

[cardsagain74]

Speaking of secondary market packaged fun w/ diluted value, I wonder if anyone ever pulled the '52 T Mantle (or even the Mathews) that are supposed to be hidden somewhere in those recent Universal Treasures/Vintage Card Treasures packs?

Just about italicized "supposed to be"....

[chalupacollects]

For what it is worth I have a 55 Christmas rack pack I purchased from Mark Murphy way back that has Willie Mays on the back center...