Ty cobb autograph cut - psa/dna 9 mint

[Donavon]

NO LONGER FOR SALE UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE!!!

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[Leon]

Donovan
Are you aware of the controversy over the authenticity of this cut you are selling? As much as I don't care for the owner of the Halls of Shame site he listed it on there as being a fake?

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by Leon

Donovan
Are you aware of the controversy over the authenticity of this cut you are selling? As much as I don't care for the owner of the Halls of Shame site he listed it on there as being a fake?

Leon,

Thank you so much for bringing this to my attention. I am currently at wars with ebay over the situation. I can tell you this much. The cut is real green ink on really old paper & it was found with a bunch of original 1930's & early 1940's Goudey cards. I personally sent the card in for PSA/DNA grading along with a 1939 Exhibits Ted Williams that I had signed at a card show in the 80's. It is not a laser copy as the author of the article has insinuated. I am seriously thinking of legal action, as this is clearly defamation of character on this author's part. I have never sold or attempted to sell a fake to anyone in all of my year's of collecting!

[travrosty]

Donavon,

How can two autographs look exactly the same?

There are only 3 possibilities.

1. Ron K's is original, yours is a copy,

2. yours is original, and his is a copy.

3 They are both copies,


scenario 4 is impossible, They can't both be original.


did you find them personally in a cache? or did someone else and then sold or gave them to you? just interested in hearing the story on how this one came about.

Have you ever had it examined by a document examiner to determine if it is an original signature?

[Donavon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Donavon,

How can two autographs look exactly the same?

There are only 3 possibilities.

1. Ron K's is original, yours is a copy,

2. yours is original, and his is a copy.

3 They are both copies,


scenario 4 is impossible, They can't both be original.


did you find them personally in a cache? or did someone else and then sold or gave them to you? just interested in hearing the story on how this one came about.

Have you ever had it examined by a document examiner to determine if it is an original signature?

Travis,

I have been going through this on the website that has called it a "forgery". I purchased it from a person who had an estate of 30's & early 40's books & original Goudey cards. The Goudeys that were gradable have all been sent to PSA & none were counterfeit. I find it hard to believe that a "laser copy", as they deem it, would have indentation on the back of the paper. I am by no means an autograph expert. I can tell pixellations & lack of writing flow, but that's as far as I go. That is why the cut was sent to PSA/DNA......so the experts could authenticate or not authenticate it. As for as one or the other having to be fake, I don't necessarily agree with that either. I have two Ted Williams autos that I got in person in the 80's that are identical.

[Donavon]

Also.....please disregard the "for sale". I will not sell this cut until this whole issue has been completely investigated & is resolved. I believe in integrity & honesty & will not sell anything of which is in question. I have emailed PSA/DNA & will be seeking a document examiner's opinion as well.

P.S.- My sincerest thanks to all from this forum who have made me aware of the website calling it a forgery & it's credibility.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Donavon

Travis,

I have been going through this on the website that has called it a "forgery". I purchased it from a person who had an estate of 30's & early 40's books & original Goudey cards. The Goudeys that were gradable have all been sent to PSA & none were counterfeit. I find it hard to believe that a "laser copy", as they deem it, would have indentation on the back of the paper. I am by no means an autograph expert. I can tell pixellations & lack of writing flow, but that's as far as I go. That is why the cut was sent to PSA/DNA......so the experts could authenticate or not authenticate it. As for as one or the other having to be fake, I don't necessarily agree with that either. I have two Ted Williams autos that I got in person in the 80's that are identical.

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can you remember when you bought it and when you sent it in to psa?

can you post these williams autos? if i couldnt tell those williams apart, then these cobbs would be under a whole new light.

eyeballing these two cobbs for a half hour reveals no differences in size, slant, formation at all.

these two cobbs are exactly, exactly alike, and no one can write their name exactly alike twice. because making the case that they are two different autographs would be the only way for them both to be good. but i dont see it.

if you have a good cobb, it will be revealed to be good, and bad will be bad. there are definitive ways to tell.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Donavon

Travis,

I have been going through this on the website that has called it a "forgery". I purchased it from a person who had an estate of 30's & early 40's books & original Goudey cards. The Goudeys that were gradable have all been sent to PSA & none were counterfeit. I find it hard to believe that a "laser copy", as they deem it, would have indentation on the back of the paper. I am by no means an autograph expert. I can tell pixellations & lack of writing flow, but that's as far as I go. That is why the cut was sent to PSA/DNA......so the experts could authenticate or not authenticate it. As for as one or the other having to be fake, I don't necessarily agree with that either. I have two Ted Williams autos that I got in person in the 80's that are identical.

donavon,

can you show me the identical williams sigs that you promised me over a month ago?