Hey, pennant guys

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Originally Posted by Domer05

My apologies for the technical issues. Not sure if that's a Weebly problem or a Chrome/Safari/Edge issue....

Gary, I'll email you the full catalog. Anyone else?

Love seeing all those beautiful Repco pennants!

The technical issues seem to be fixed.Phew!

I also would like to see the whole catalog. Might there be an Ohio U. example in there? Probably not….too far out on the western frontier.

edit: maybe so, on Ohio U. I see Michigan, Chicago and Cal.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by Domer05

My apologies for the technical issues. Not sure if that's a Weebly problem or a Chrome/Safari/Edge issue....

Gary, I'll email you the full catalog. Anyone else?

Love seeing all those beautiful Repco pennants!

I’d also like the full catalog. Thanks Kyle!

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Thanks for posting this, Kyle...

The Michigan example in the Catalog matches my oversized Washington Huskies Pennant to a tee. Cool to know it's a Reproduction Co example.

That’s a beautiful Huskies pennant Mark! For football they seemed to have kept with the brown/white color scheme, but for baseball they appear to mix up a bit...here is a red highlighted baseball.

[perezfan]

Incredible, Joe... What a beauty!

Never seen another besides my Huskies with that particular design (and now I have!) Those graphics look so incredible against that deep red felt.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Incredible, Joe... What a beauty!

Never seen another besides my Huskies with that particular design (and now I have!) Those graphics look so incredible against that deep red felt.

That image is actually not mine (I have one of these pennants with that design too, but not as in great condition), but posted this one because, like you said, it's a beautiful example.

[UKCardGuy]

Joe and Greg those are some beautiful pennants.

Based on the RepCo catalog that Kyle found, can we say that these pennants are RepCo issues? (N.B. They're not my pennants)

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Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Joe and Greg those are some beautiful pennants.

Based on the RepCo catalog that Kyle found, can we say that these pennants are RepCo issues? (N.B. They're not my pennants)

I kinda thought we already could/did.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Joe and Greg those are some beautiful pennants.

Based on the RepCo catalog that Kyle found, can we say that these pennants are RepCo issues? (N.B. They're not my pennants)

Gary, as far as the Chicago pennant, I’d say probably not. There is a “series” of pennants with that leather graphic, I’ve seen at least four of five others. There’s also a Tigers with a leather Tiger head. They have the same construction, two color felt with reinforced edges. These three are mine. There is a White Sox pennant currently on eBay with a screened graphic but otherwise the same construction. And it has a tag on the back from Geo. Lauterer. So that’s my guess.

[thetahat]

Also, the batter graphic is identical to that of a screened 1919 Reds Champions pennant.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Joe and Greg those are some beautiful pennants.

Based on the RepCo catalog that Kyle found, can we say that these pennants are RepCo issues? (N.B. They're not my pennants)

Just a gut feeling, but I don't think any of these were by Repco. The artwork just ... doesn't resemble the same degree of detail that Repco's were known for, in my view. Additionally, none of these feature a no-contrast spine or an Old English or Collegiate Block letter font that seemed to typify Repco's look.

One thing I learned while researching Repco: they had a monopoly on "process" (screen printed) pennants from about 1908-1911. But by the summer of 1911, at least one rival pennant maker named Langrock Bros., also of New York City, had begun making screen printed pennants. By about 1915, several more had joined the club, including Annin, yet another New York-based pennant maker.

Coincidentally (or not so coincidentally), 1915 is about when it appears Repco may have left the pennant market entirely. I have long suspected this was due to this influx in competitors who had entered the marketplace and perhaps even perfected Repco's patented "process" (also known as the Udall Process) into something even better. To this point, I cannot think of a single Repco pennant we can definitively source to them and made after 1914.

I suspect this is when they transitioned to other commercial applications for their process, like indoor advertising.

So although it's tempting to label that beautiful 1915 Red Sox pennant as being by Repco, I think it's more likely someone else made it.

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[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I kinda thought we already could/did.

I need to pay closer attention!

Kyle: next up; George Lauterer Badges, buttons, banners, flags.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

I’d also like the full catalog. Thanks Kyle!

Kyle, thanks for the full catalog. What an incredibly impressive, extensive, array of art work and designs. I find it remarkable how few of these designs and art have ever been found, from my experience. I image that is because since they were so short lived, much of this was created in such small numbers, if ever at all.

Do you think Langrock and Annin adopted the same or very similar artwork as Repco? I had thought this Bear Pennant was possibly Repco, since it’s their artwork - but since Cornell did not introduce the Bear as mascot until 1915, (no existence of a Bear before that), and realizing Repco ended in 1914, it’s more likely this is Langrock or Annin.

[vintagesportscollector]

I shared this pennant many years ago, but circling back again to see if anyone now recognizes the maker mark? It’s probably the most unusual and unique pennant I have. I haven’t seen another. Some may think this young lady basketball player may not be the easiest on the eyes , but I found her to me remarkably detailed and beautiful. The pennant is 35”. Looks like initials N.P. Co. Any thoughts?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Just a gut feeling, but I don't think any of these were by Repco. The artwork just ... doesn't resemble the same degree of detail that Repco's were known for, in my view. Additionally, none of these feature a no-contrast spine or an Old English or Collegiate Block letter font that seemed to typify Repco's look.

One thing I learned while researching Repco: they had a monopoly on "process" (screen printed) pennants from about 1908-1911. But by the summer of 1911, at least one rival pennant maker named Langrock Bros., also of New York City, had begun making screen printed pennants. By about 1915, several more had joined the club, including Annin, yet another New York-based pennant maker.

Coincidentally (or not so coincidentally), 1915 is about when it appears Repco may have left the pennant market entirely. I have long suspected this was due to this influx in competitors who had entered the marketplace and perhaps even perfected Repco's patented "process" (also known as the Udall Process) into something even better. To this point, I cannot think of a single Repco pennant we can definitively source to them and made after 1914.

I suspect this is when they transitioned to other commercial applications for their process, like indoor advertising.

So although it's tempting to label that beautiful 1915 Red Sox pennant as being by Repco, I think it's more likely someone else made it.

Agree... NONE of those pennants shown were made by Repco. The artwork and composition are different on each of the examples.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Thanks to the wonderful staff of the Brooklyn Public Library, Center for Brooklyn History, I was able to obtain digital scans of all 51 pages from a 1913 sales catalog by The Reproduction Co. currently in their holdings.

I posted more excerpts over on Pennant Fever, but here's a few pages to pique your curiosity....

Looks like Jim Scott is the inspiration for the Dartmouth Pennant (seen in Post 9384). I used to have this same exact Pitcher image on an early teens Boston Braves Pennant, which I sold years ago.

Pretty cool to know the origin of this one, and makes you wonder how many others are based on actual Player images. Link below...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/40489708449...item5e45bf344a

[perezfan]

Found an image of my old Boston Braves, with Jim Scott as the subject...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/40489708449...item5e45bf344a

[effe]

Originally Posted by thetahat

A few of my college pennants … Niagara is embroidered.

Love that Wisconsin pennant. I've never seen that one before.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by effe

Love that Wisconsin pennant. I've never seen that one before.

John, if you like that one, you should check this Repco one out on ebay. It’s not mine. I don’t think I’m outing anything since it’s a BIN and clearly listed. Healthy asking price, but offers accepted. No Repco tag, so I think that is just a best guess. Could be another maker. I haven’t seen that catcher art work in their catalog. (Edit myself - I do see now that artwork is on Kyle’s site, so I assume then that this is a Repco.)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/226588838356

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Just a gut feeling, but I don't think any of these were by Repco. The artwork just ... doesn't resemble the same degree of detail that Repco's were known for, in my view. Additionally, none of these feature a no-contrast spine or an Old English or Collegiate Block letter font that seemed to typify Repco's look.

One thing I learned while researching Repco: they had a monopoly on "process" (screen printed) pennants from about 1908-1911. But by the summer of 1911, at least one rival pennant maker named Langrock Bros., also of New York City, had begun making screen printed pennants. By about 1915, several more had joined the club, including Annin, yet another New York-based pennant maker.

Coincidentally (or not so coincidentally), 1915 is about when it appears Repco may have left the pennant market entirely. I have long suspected this was due to this influx in competitors who had entered the marketplace and perhaps even perfected Repco's patented "process" (also known as the Udall Process) into something even better. To this point, I cannot think of a single Repco pennant we can definitively source to them and made after 1914.

I suspect this is when they transitioned to other commercial applications for their process, like indoor advertising.

So although it's tempting to label that beautiful 1915 Red Sox pennant as being by Repco, I think it's more likely someone else made it.

Thanks Kyle. That's great info.

Greg and Mark thanks for the insight about the graphics.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Gary, as far as the Chicago pennant, I’d say probably not. There is a “series” of pennants with that leather graphic, I’ve seen at least four of five others. There’s also a Tigers with a leather Tiger head. They have the same construction, two color felt with reinforced edges. These three are mine. There is a White Sox pennant currently on eBay with a screened graphic but otherwise the same construction. And it has a tag on the back from Geo. Lauterer. So that’s my guess.

I just checked my pennant catalog that I've been building and I had a note that the Pirates version of the "Leather Batter" was made by the Chicago Pennant Company. I could have recorded that wrong or maybe both CPC and Lauterer made similar pennants in a cross-Chicago rivalry.

Any guesses?

[cmoore330]

My only RepCo pennant is a sewn letter model. This is the equivalent of owning a classic Mustang, but it’s a 1970’s Mustang II!

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Kyle, thanks for the full catalog. What an incredibly impressive, extensive, array of art work and designs. I find it remarkable how few of these designs and art have ever been found, from my experience. I image that is because since they were so short lived, much of this was created in such small numbers, if ever at all.

Do you think Langrock and Annin adopted the same or very similar artwork as Repco? I had thought this Bear Pennant was possibly Repco, since it’s their artwork - but since Cornell did not introduce the Bear as mascot until 1915, (no existence of a Bear before that), and realizing Repco ended in 1914, it’s more likely this is Langrock or Annin.

Joe, I'm convinced your Cornell pennant is indeed by Repco. No-contrast spine + collegiate block letter outline font would be enough for me; but, additionally this bear artwork is awfully similar to "Brown bear," which was copyrighted in 1909 by Repco. See below. They used it (and several other bear/bruin/cub depictions) on many collegiate mascot pennants, so they probably just updated it a bit and used this variant on yours (in 1915, as you point out) when Cornell joined the bear family.

For more on their copyrighted works, there's a slideshow embedded within my Repco piece. To date, I've found about two dozen survivors exemplifying this terrific artwork.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

John, if you like that one, you should check this Repco one out on ebay. It’s not mine. I don’t think I’m outing anything since it’s a BIN and clearly listed. Healthy asking price, but offers accepted. No Repco tag, so I think that is just a best guess. Could be another maker. I haven’t seen that catcher art work in their catalog. (Edit myself - I do see now that artwork is on Kyle’s site, so I assume then that this is a Repco.)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/226588838356

This Wisconsin pennant is a beauty; and yes, it has to be Repco's work. No-contrast spine + Old English font featuring that weird lower case "c" resembling an "r".

Here's the White Sox variant, featuring the same distinctive lower case "c"....

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

I shared this pennant many years ago, but circling back again to see if anyone now recognizes the maker mark? It’s probably the most unusual and unique pennant I have. I haven’t seen another. Some may think this young lady basketball player may not be the easiest on the eyes , but I found her to me remarkably detailed and beautiful. The pennant is 35”. Looks like initials N.P. Co. Any thoughts?

N.P.Co. = National Pennant Co. of New York.

Haven't seen any other pennants by them; but there is this sun visor by them reportedly from 1937....

[Domer05]

Speaking of that distinctive Old English letter font, with the weird lower case "c" resembling an "r", check this photo out....

This ca. 1914 photo reportedly shows the 2d class barber shop aboard the RMS Olympic--which was RMS Titanic's sister ship.

Cool souvenir pennants, right? Look at the "c" in "Olympic" ... they're by Repco!

Kind of makes you wonder whether Repco ever made a Titanic version that's sitting on the bottom of the Atlantic.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Joe, I'm convinced your Cornell pennant is indeed by Repco. No-contrast spine + collegiate block letter outline font would be enough for me; but, additionally this bear artwork is awfully similar to "Brown bear," which was copyrighted in 1909 by Repco.

Thanks Kyle, very helpful, as always. I was just thinking this could not be Repco when you said that 1915 is about when it appears Repco may have left the pennant market, and that you couldn't think of a Repco pennant we can definitively source to them after 1914.

The Cornell Bear came onto the scene when a bear cub from Maine joined the sideline during games in the Fall of 1915. By the the end of the season the Cub had completely gone viral, widely popular on campus. I assume the earliest this pennant would have been created is very late 1915 or 1916. So I guess this could be an example where Repco’s pennant making continued into 1915 or 1916. The investigation to try an pinpoint dates for memorabilia is always fun stuff, thanks for the help!

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by Domer05

N.P.Co. = National Pennant Co. of New York.

Haven't seen any other pennants by them; but there is this sun visor by them reportedly from 1937....

Thanks! Do you know any of the NP Co. history? I was assuming this pennant was 1910-1915 based on the artwork and that the girl’s basketball team was popular then and on campus, and then seems to have disappeared for decades.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Thanks Kyle, very helpful, as always. I was just thinking this could not be Repco when you said that 1915 is about when it appears Repco may have left the pennant market, and that you couldn't think of a Repco pennant we can definitively source to them after 1914.

The Cornell Bear came onto the scene when a bear cub from Maine joined the sideline during games in the Fall of 1915. By the the end of the season the Cub had completely gone viral, widely popular on campus. I assume the earliest this pennant would have been created is very late 1915 or 1916. So I guess this could be an example where Repco’s pennant making continued into 1915 or 1916. The investigation to try an pinpoint dates for memorabilia is always fun stuff, thanks for the help!

Ok, just came across this in Worthpoint, after I posted. This may add a wrinkle to things. The bear artwork is Repco’s copyrighted art, but according to the Worthpoint listing there is a Langrock tag on the pennant. Only difference is the contrast spine. I guess it’s possible Langrock could have made a pennant too with a non-contrast spine that matches the Repco artwork and lettering? Just speculating, but the use of the artwork and lettering muddies things between the two makers.

[ooo-ribay]

It seems like Joe (vintagesportscollector) is a somewhat new contributor to our group. A very welcome contributor! You (Joe) have some great pennants and insight. “Inquiring minds want to know.”

https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=in...E0a6uf3mM,st:0

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Ok, just came across this in Worthpoint, after I posted. This may add a wrinkle to things. The bear artwork is Repco’s copyrighted art, but according to the Worthpoint listing there is a Langrock tag on the pennant. Only difference is the contrast spine. I guess it’s possible Langrock could have made a pennant too with a non-contrast spine that matches the Repco artwork and lettering? Just speculating, but the use of the artwork and lettering muddies things between the two makers.

And here we have the same bear on a Cubs (?) pennant

[bocca001]

Since we are on the topic of these circa 1910-1915 pennants, can anyone identify the graphic on this Santa Clara pennant? It looks like a baseball batter to me. Anyone have a pennant with this batter?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by cmoore330

My only RepCo pennant is a sewn letter model. This is the equivalent of owning a classic Mustang, but it’s a 1970’s Mustang II!

That’s funny.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by cmoore330

My only RepCo pennant is a sewn letter model. This is the equivalent of owning a classic Mustang, but it’s a 1970’s Mustang II!

I should be offended by that because my first car was a puke green 1976 Ford Mustang II....but it's accurate. Still it was a Mustang.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

It seems like Joe (vintagesportscollector) is a somewhat new contributor to our group. A very welcome contributor! You (Joe) have some great pennants and insight. “Inquiring minds want to know.”

https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=in...E0a6uf3mM,st:0

Thanks Rob. Not so much new, as sporadic or infrequent contributor, given my unique and narrow collecting focus, but this thread is my favorite on N54.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Thanks Kyle, very helpful, as always. I was just thinking this could not be Repco when you said that 1915 is about when it appears Repco may have left the pennant market, and that you couldn't think of a Repco pennant we can definitively source to them after 1914.

The Cornell Bear came onto the scene when a bear cub from Maine joined the sideline during games in the Fall of 1915. By the the end of the season the Cub had completely gone viral, widely popular on campus. I assume the earliest this pennant would have been created is very late 1915 or 1916. So I guess this could be an example where Repco’s pennant making continued into 1915 or 1916. The investigation to try an pinpoint dates for memorabilia is always fun stuff, thanks for the help!

Yeah, Repco certainly could have continued making pennants past 1915. I just haven't been able to definitively date one past 1914. So yours is good evidence that perhaps they did make pennants in the latter 1910s. Good insight.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Thanks! Do you know any of the NP Co. history? I was assuming this pennant was 1910-1915 based on the artwork and that the girl’s basketball team was popular then and on campus, and then seems to have disappeared for decades.

I know nothing about National Pennant Co., unfortunately. Just that their name appeared in commercial directories from the 1910s and 20s as a felt novelty maker.

I was thinking yours looked mid-1910s as well.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Ok, just came across this in Worthpoint, after I posted. This may add a wrinkle to things. The bear artwork is Repco’s copyrighted art, but according to the Worthpoint listing there is a Langrock tag on the pennant. Only difference is the contrast spine. I guess it’s possible Langrock could have made a pennant too with a non-contrast spine that matches the Repco artwork and lettering? Just speculating, but the use of the artwork and lettering muddies things between the two makers.

Damnet Joe! We're searching for clarity here--not mud.

Well, this is a problem isn't it.... Can I retract my initial opinion? Yours kinda has to be by Langrock, doesn't it?

As I noted earlier, the two bears--though similar--are different. See below.

It looks to me like Langrock figured out how to make a process pennant; then, made an eerily similar bear to reproduce over and over again on their collegiate pennants. And, they ripped off Repco's letter font, which apparently wasn't copyrighted.

Although we may object to such practice, legally speaking, this would be above board. More importantly, there's plenty of evidence of pennant makers mimicking their competitors' artwork throughout the 20th century, so no reason to think that's not what happened here.

[Vintagedeputy]

I just made arrangements to buy this last night so my apologies for the poor screenshot photo but that’s all I have. It appears to either be a trade card or possibly an ink blotter. I’m assuming that the 1914 champions pennant that it refers to is one that was flown at the stadium and it was manufactured by this company. Since it says last year, I would put it at circa 1915.

[perezfan]

That’s a beautiful piece. Would love to see that actual Athletics pennant.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

That’s a beautiful piece. Would love to see that actual Athletics pennant.

Perhaps it might show up in some vintage stadium photos?

[Duluth Eskimo]

I can’t let Wisconsin take the lead on any sports conversation so I’ll add my Reproduction Company Minnesota baseball pennant. It’s got a tag on the back, but the photo doesn’t want to upload. Might be too large.

[vintagesportscollector]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

I can’t let Wisconsin take the lead on any sports conversation so I’ll add my Reproduction Company Minnesota baseball pennant. It’s got a tag on the back, but the photo doesn’t want to upload. Might be too large.

I love it. What a gorgeous example!!

[Fballguy]

Here's a company you never hear about. Been around over 100 years but never ventured into pro sports unfortunately.

https://standardpennant.com

[Domer05]

You're right. Standard Pennant Co. made some beautiful pennants; but, most seemed to be for the high school market, unfortunately.

[Vintagedeputy]

The pennant maker trade card that I posted last week finally arrived today. I’ve never seen another one before. Has anyone else?

[cubman1941]

have had these for some time and just came across them again. I would like help with id's. II believe the Brown and the Senators are from the 50's, not sure about the Tigers. The Tigers measures just shy of 3 3/4 x 7 3/4 missing tip. The Browns measures 4 x 9. The Senators measures 3 1/2 x 9 3/8 missing tip.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by cubman1941

have had these for some time and just came across them again. I would like help with id's. II believe the Brown and the Senators are from the 50's, not sure about the Tigers. The Tigers measures just shy of 3 3/4 x 7 3/4 missing tip. The Browns measures 4 x 9. The Senators measures 3 1/2 x 9 3/8 missing tip.

1940s, possibly early 50s, made by Ad Flag. I have them as part of a string.

[cubman1941]

Thanks. I appreciate the info.

Originally Posted by thetahat

1940s, possibly early 50s, made by Ad Flag. I have them as part of a string.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

The pennant maker trade card that I posted last week finally arrived today. I’ve never seen another one before. Has anyone else?

Very cool! Apparently, this F. Vanderherchen was a local nautical supplier in philly. They made canvas burgee flags, like this, for use on ships. So the A's must've called on them in 1914 to make their burgee flag for Shibe Park after the season ended.

I'm aware of no felt novelty pennant resembling this. I've never seen their name associated with felt pennants or novelty souvenirs, so ... I'm guessing none was ever made on felt?