Hey, pennant guys

[thetahat]

Post #107 on this thread presented this beautiful Twins example …

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Post #107 on this thread presented this beautiful Twins example …

I’d love to know if the Twins is 56” or 68.” Seems weird that the Giants would be a foot shorter. Maybe the seller screwed up the description?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I’d love to know if the Twins is 56” or 68.” Seems weird that the Giants would be a foot shorter. Maybe the seller screwed up the description?

Based on the regular sized Twins, the big one looks like it is 68”. And I do think the Giants might be bigger than advertised.

ASCO was a legit pennant company. Those 19” player picture pennants are awesome and highly mysterious. Are there any known checklists? Years of production? A Mickey Mantle sold for near $2,000 awhile ago. Might there be a Willie Mays?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Based on the regular sized Twins, the big one looks like it is 68”. And I do think the Giants might be bigger than advertised.

Agreed. Twins is a monster.

[vintagesportscollector]

Kyle (Domer05) and I were exchanging some thoughts on how much we both appreciate college pennants, and especially the burgee type (fish-tail) style. Thought I would share this scrapbook photo from 1916 of this huge pennant - I estimate it's about 6 ft long.

[Domer05]

I love it Joe. Those felt burgees from the 1910s were so cool. Still waiting for a Notre Dame burgee to surface....

Wonder why the style never really caught on with MLB pennants afterwards? I can only imagine it's because it was more time-consuming to cut one than the standard triangular pennant?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by vintagesportscollector

Kyle (Domer05) and I were exchanging some thoughts on how much we both appreciate college pennants, and especially the burgee type (fish-tail) style. Thought I would share this scrapbook photo from 1916 of this huge pennant - I estimate it's about 6 ft long.

I can't quite make out a Cornell Pennant in that picture, Joe....

Could you perhaps blow it up a little?

[ooo-ribay]

I doubt this listing escaped you guys, because nothing much does. I noticed the D**gers pennant. Pretty unusual, I think. I also think it's from probably their first 4-5 years in L.A. The Giants pennant is not rare at all. I think the White Sox is common, as well, although maybe the "White Sox Park" variation?

P.S. Never a good idea for a seller to sell dissimilar pennants as a lot, IMO.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Domer05

I love it Joe. Those felt burgees from the 1910s were so cool. Still waiting for a Notre Dame burgee to surface....Wonder why the style never really caught on with MLB pennants afterwards? I can only imagine it's because it was more time-consuming to cut one than the standard triangular pennant?

I find burgees a bit disturbing somehow, maybe just not used to them. Could be like inees and outees...

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I doubt this listing escaped you guys, because nothing much does. I noticed the D**gers pennant. Pretty unusual, I think. I also think it's from probably their first 4-5 years in L.A. The Giants pennant is not rare at all. I think the White Sox is common, as well, although maybe the "White Sox Park" variation?

P.S. Never a good idea for a seller to sell dissimilar pennants as a lot, IMO.

Actually the Giants isn't as common as you think. This one has better detail in the graphics than the more common version you see all over eBay. There are about dozen of the low quality graphic versions on ebay right now. None of this one....now that this auction has ended.

Speaking of Giants pennants with subtle differences...Did this Giant switch to a low carb diet? He appears to have slimmed down over the years.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Actually the Giants isn't as common as you think. This one has better detail in the graphics than the more common version you see all over eBay. There are about dozen of the low quality graphic versions on ebay right now. None of this one....now that this auction has ended.

I just noticed that strip of orange by the spine on that Giants pennant. What’s up with that?

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by MK

I am elated to have finally acquired this scarce Cubs pennant. I passed on one about five years ago and this is the first one I have seen since. It’s not even in Egner’s Guide. Kind of glad I waited now, as this one is in slightly better condition and was less than half the price of the one I passed on 5 years ago. This is of course the odd “Ebbets Field” version in which someone decided to use the Dodgers home field and pass it off as Wrigley. While numerous Dodger pennants used this graphic, this particular Cubs version seldom surfaces. Maybe it was a limited production, or Cub fans were insulted by the image. Either way, I’m happy to add it to my collection.

Nice pennant and super tough.

[MK]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Nice pennant and super tough.

Thanks. If another good one shows up in the next 5 years I’ll be surprised.

[ooo-ribay]

Going back to our recent discussion of various ways photos are affixed to photo pennants....would staples be an original way or was this one done at a later date? If this one is "wrong," does anyone have an example of the proper one? I do like this pennant, with "Souvenir of Shea Stadium," "Let's Go" and Mr. Met.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Going back to our recent discussion of various ways photos are affixed to photo pennants....would staples be an original way or was this one done at a later date? If this one is "wrong," does anyone have an example of the proper one? I do like this pennant, with "Souvenir of Shea Stadium," "Let's Go" and Mr. Met.

I think it's original...and it seems most instances are teams from New York. I have Giants and Jets pennants with photos affixed like this.

[rlevy]

Here is an LA one from 1963, stapled.

Rick

1963 stapled.jpg

[ooo-ribay]

Alrighty then. Would have been nice if they’d used photos that actually fit the square.

[thetahat]

Additionally, I’m not sure I recall a picture pennant that isn’t cloth. Maybe the LAD had one on felt? Must be that the glue sticks better on cloth, I dunno …

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Mike

Thank you, Rob, Greg, and Mark. I’ve been exchanging emails with Greg and will be preparing the formal dispute on behalf of my friend. I did email the seller and stated our position, citing your specific posts in the thread. He replied last night and was cordial, saying that he read the posts, but he still believes the pennant is authentic and a possible “one of a kind” from 1918.

I will post updates re the status of the dispute, and thank you all again for your time, information, and support.

(Buffalo) Mike in San Diego

I wonder if this ever got resolved?

[ooo-ribay]

Not the greatest condition, but it was a cheap variation I didn't have. And look...when I put it in a sleeve with another one tassel pennant, they both look complete!

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Not the greatest condition, but it was a cheap variation I didn't have. And look...when I put it in a sleeve with another one tassel pennant, they both look complete!

Nice one! I am such a fan of all the old New York teams so it’s great to see something like that.

[bocca001]

We can add Birmingham Barons to teams with the sliding runner design, now believed to be made by Epstein (right?). I believe I heard that MLB is going to be playing a game or games at Rickwood field in the future.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

We can add Birmingham Barons to teams with the sliding runner design, now believed to be made by Epstein (right?). I believe I heard that MLB is going to be playing a game or games at Rickwood field in the future.

Is that yours, Marc? It looks like one of your photo presentations. Gotta be pretty, pretty rare.

[bocca001]

Yeah, I went to grad school in Alabama and watched a decent number of baseball games in Tuscaloosa and Birmingham (Hoover). I was there after the Michael Jordan days, which I heard were pretty crazy. Never saw a game at Rickwood. And the price was right on the pennant. I've never seen it or any other vintage Barons pennant before.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

We can add Birmingham Barons to teams with the sliding runner design, now believed to be made by Epstein (right?). I believe I heard that MLB is going to be playing a game or games at Rickwood field in the future.

That’s really cool Marc. Cool color combination and cloth, too!

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Yeah, I went to grad school in Alabama and watched a decent number of baseball games in Tuscaloosa and Birmingham (Hoover). I was there after the Michael Jordan days, which I heard were pretty crazy. Never saw a game at Rickwood. And the price was right on the pennant. I've never seen it or any other vintage Barons pennant before.

FWIW, I just watched a 30 for 30, Jordan Rides the Bus. I never liked MJ (admittedly, for what he did to my Jazz) but I liked him more after watching that little documentary. Terry Francona was his manager and Tony said MJ could have made the Majors with another full year in the minors, under his belt.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Great pickups Mike and Jim. I love the Braves pennants from the 40s/50s.

Did anyone see the Satchel Paige that completed at Heritage last night?

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...kedLots-101116

Sold for $1,500 with juice. I hope someone hear got it.

I was fortunate to get this. Was very much on the fence but I thought it was especially cool given the green felt and the Jackie pennant I already have in green. Now gotta find a Doby and the incredibly rare Luke Easter.

(BTW, Heritage ships pennants as if they are shipping a Picasso … it took about 15 minutes just to open! Tip of the cap to them.)

[bocca001]

That Paige pennant is great! Nice pickup.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I was fortunate to get this. Was very much on the fence but I thought it was especially cool given the green felt and the Jackie pennant I already have in green. Now gotta find a Doby and the incredibly rare Luke Easter.

(BTW, Heritage ships pennants as if they are shipping a Picasso … it took about 15 minutes just to open! Tip of the cap to them.)

Congrats Greg. Great pickup. It looks great next to Jackie. The 2 Monarchs teammates back together again.

[thetahat]

Thanks, guys. I’d love to know if WGN made any others besides these two and Doby and Easter.

[bocca001]

Rob and I just got back from the Houston Tristar show and I was able to buy this very rare Houston Colts pennant from Rick H. I usually avoid pennants with tassel damage, but this one is so rare that I got it anyway. I've never seen it for sale and had only seen a picture of it one other time.

I've posted a pic of the the more common version below the new pickup (although all Colts pennants seem rare)

[thetahat]

Amazing, Marc. Absolutely love it. So incredibly rare.

[Vintagedeputy]

Great Colts pennant, Marc! Tassels or not.

[bandrus1]

Can I get an option on this guys

[bocca001]

That's a great looking vintage pennant. I know we have some contributors who can say more about rarity (it's rare, I just don't know how rare) and possible value. Might help to see the tip.

[bandrus1]

Originally Posted by bocca001

That's a great looking vintage pennant. I know we have some contributors who can say more about rarity (it's rare, I just don't know how rare) and possible value. Might help to see the tip.

Only photo I took but it's in tact

[perezfan]

Quite rare and desirable... especially if the tip is still in tact.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Quite rare and desirable... especially if the tip is still in tact.

I thought it looked good, too, but was waiting for perezfan to weigh in...he's much more an expert on the truly vintage stuff than I.

[UKCardGuy]

Some great pennants guys. bandrus1 did you buy that 1933 Tigers pennant?

My latest pickup isn't as exotic but it's a nice clean example. 1970 Senators.

[perezfan]

Nice Gary! That's got to be one of the rarer Picture Pennants of the '60s - 70s. Nice clean example.... congrats!

[bandrus1]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Some great pennants guys. bandrus1 did you buy that 1933 Tigers pennant?

My latest pickup isn't as exotic but it's a nice clean example. 1970 Senators.

I did not as these are not in my wheelhouse but I know who has it and I'm going to try getting it at the end of the month

There is a crazy $ on a cleansweep result for one but my guess is it's an anomaly

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Some great pennants guys. bandrus1 did you buy that 1933 Tigers pennant?

My latest pickup isn't as exotic but it's a nice clean example. 1970 Senators.

Nice! How is the photo affixed? It’s a much cleaner look than staples.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Nice! How is the photo affixed? It’s a much cleaner look than staples.

Thanks guys. The photo is fixed cleanly (I'm guessing with an adhesive). I far prefer that to staples.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Thanks guys. The photo is fixed cleanly (I'm guessing with an adhesive). I far prefer that to staples.

OK. So there’s a window cut in the felt. 👌

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Some great pennants guys. bandrus1 did you buy that 1933 Tigers pennant?

My latest pickup isn't as exotic but it's a nice clean example. 1970 Senators.

Absolutely LOVE this. Don’t know of any ASCO team picture pennants besides this one and a bunch of Twins.

[thetahat]

Bought this out of curiosity the other day, to learn (with the much appreciated help of a board member) that this dates to 1908-10 based on the Spalding tag. Detroit Tigers? Missouri Tigers? Will never know I suppose. Though I’m not sure if college pennants with only the mascot name were ever a “thing”.

Mr. Domer, what do you know about Spalding pennants?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Bought this out of curiosity the other day, to learn (with the much appreciated help of a board member) that this dates to 1908-10 based on the Spalding tag. Detroit Tigers? Missouri Tigers? Will never know I suppose. Though I’m not sure if college pennants with only the mascot name were ever a “thing”.

Mr. Domer, what do you know about Spalding pennants?

Cool pennant! The color scheme would suggest Missouri.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Bought this out of curiosity the other day, to learn (with the much appreciated help of a board member) that this dates to 1908-10 based on the Spalding tag. Detroit Tigers? Missouri Tigers? Will never know I suppose. Though I’m not sure if college pennants with only the mascot name were ever a “thing”.

Mr. Domer, what do you know about Spalding pennants?

Well, they definitely offered pennants for sale via their catalogue. And, sometime after 1910 or so, Spalding distributed Reproduction Co.-made collegiate and MLB pennants.

For example, these two were definitely made by Repco; and yet they bore this more contemporary looking "Spalding" label on the reverse....

Why the updated label? It was required (by Repco, no doubt) that the legalese, "Patent Allowed, Patent Applied For" appear on the product to protect the patented method (a.k.a., the "Udall Process") used by Repco to print such detailed graphics on felt.

[Domer05]

Spalding also distributed other pennant makers' products throughout the 1910s. Here's a 1916 excerpt from one of their catalogues showing that year's offerings....

Note that the model "S" retailed for $1.50. Adjusted for inflation, that's over $40 in 2024 money. So, not cheap!

I've seen other pennants with more traditional Spalding labeling, like yours Greg, and they featured that same woven spine look. I do agree: yours likely pre-dates 1910.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Spalding also distributed other pennant makers' products throughout the 1910s. Here's a 1916 excerpt from one of their catalogues showing that year's offerings....

Note that the model "S" retailed for $1.50. Adjusted for inflation, that's over $40 in 2024 money. So, not cheap!

I've seen other pennants with more traditional Spalding labeling, like yours Greg, and they featured that same woven spine look. I do agree: yours likely pre-dates 1910.

Good stuff Kyle! Thank you.