Blue front 1958 Hank Aaron

[tbob]

Just curious about the card which was in eBay and went off last night. I bid on it but as it was bearing $400 I bailed. I am strictly a pre-war guy but just finished a master set of '58s with all the yellow name and team variations, card by card, because it was my first set as a little kid that I collected.
The blue 'freak' Aaron was a pretty card. Very blue, not bluish green (the normal Aaron's are dark green). I wondered how common this card was, or rather how rare? Has anyone ever seen one of these before? Thanks for weighing in. Sorry for not having the link but it was sold by gregmorris cards the night of 3-9 on the Bay.

Bob, here's a pic and a link to the auction:




http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-Topps-S...item58acc0352e

[mattsedate]

Originally Posted by NewEnglandBaseBallist

Bob, here's a pic and a link to the auction:




http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-Topps-S...item58acc0352e

The true home run king.

[NateMack]

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...obalID=EBAY-US

Found it, here is a link. Hope it works

[vintage954]

That blue variation went for a lot!

I have an off topic question for everyone, and I didn't want to start a war but does anyone buy from gregmorriscards? I've been buying from him for years and always picked up commons for .99-1.50 but within the last two months I've noticed the same exact cards I've purchased multiple times going for 3 or 4 times more.
I'm starting to think that he is "shilling" his own auctions. Am I out of line?

[ALR-bishop]

Here is mine. It is scarce but recurring.I have seen at least a half dozen on ebay or in threads. Do not know if they are all due to light damage or a print run defect. If the latter, you would think other cards in the set would be affected. I did not pay nearly that much for mine on ebay a couple of years back, but it has since been discussed in threads here and on CU ,and so may now have more recognition in the community of variation/oddity collectors

[Paul S]

Originally Posted by vintage954

That blue variation went for a lot!

I have an off topic question for everyone, and I didn't want to start a war but does anyone buy from gregmorriscards? I've been buying from him for years and always picked up commons for .99-1.50 but within the last two months I've noticed the same exact cards I've purchased multiple times going for 3 or 4 times more.
I'm starting to think that he is "shilling" his own auctions. Am I out of line?

"Shilling" is hardly off topic in these parts but you'll be reminded to use your full name if you are going to accuse someone directly. Can you at least provide some examples? Links, etc.

[vintage954]

Remember, I'm not "accusing" anyone. I simply asked if anyone is noticing it. Like I said, I've ordered from Greg for years and I continue to order daily and WILL continue.

[bnorth]

The blue cards are because they are missing the yellow from the printing process or it was removed. Yellow is very easy to remove and I would guess 99% of this type of cards are altered. The missing ink cards are my 2nd favorite printing error. I never buy them unless I can look at them in hand because finding a real one is next to impossible. Notice how this mysteriously only happens on star players cards.

Can't give a 100% yes or no on this one. The area around the Indian is the only place that really worries me. If it is real it should not be that off white, It should be white like the borders.

[frankh8147]

"I have an off topic question for everyone, and I didn't want to start a war but does anyone buy from gregmorriscards? I've been buying from him for years and always picked up commons for .99-1.50 but within the last two months I've noticed the same exact cards I've purchased multiple times going for 3 or 4 times more.
I'm starting to think that he is "shilling" his own auctions. Am I out of line?"


As far as I am concerned, he is a very, very good seller. I won the below item at a very fair price and have been looking for it a few years so as far as i'm concerned, he's a hero haha. I messaged him a few times during the process and he was very professional, courteous and polite. My point though, if his higher dollar items are selling at fair prices, I highly doubt he would shill lower dollar items.

[ALR-bishop]

If I had a prior or ongoing business relationship with a seller with whom I was otherwise generally pleased, and noticed some odd results in recent auctions in which I participated, I would first take up the matter directly with the seller, who may or may not have a simple explanation.

[mrmantlecollector]

Here is mine. Picked it up at a card show a couple of years ago fo $20.00
Have seen a few more sence then and there have been a couple of post on this card on this forum.

[mattsedate]

Originally Posted by frankh8147

"I have an off topic question for everyone, and I didn't want to start a war but does anyone buy from gregmorriscards? I've been buying from him for years and always picked up commons for .99-1.50 but within the last two months I've noticed the same exact cards I've purchased multiple times going for 3 or 4 times more.
I'm starting to think that he is "shilling" his own auctions. Am I out of line?"


As far as I am concerned, he is a very, very good seller. I won the below item at a very fair price and have been looking for it a few years so as far as i'm concerned, he's a hero haha. I messaged him a few times during the process and he was very professional, courteous and polite. My point though, if his higher dollar items are selling at fair prices, I highly doubt he would shill lower dollar items.

The people could be shilling out of spite and get outbid, so the items go for higher in price. He may not have anything to do with it. There seem to be so many different ways of shilling. There are probably people that have shilled and don't view it and having shilled.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by vintage954

That blue variation went for a lot!

I have an off topic question for everyone, and I didn't want to start a war but does anyone buy from gregmorriscards? I've been buying from him for years and always picked up commons for .99-1.50 but within the last two months I've noticed the same exact cards I've purchased multiple times going for 3 or 4 times more.
I'm starting to think that he is "shilling" his own auctions. Am I out of line?

Greg and I never have and never will shill auctions. Every card sold. I can't release who won the card but it is a very avid collector.

[Republicaninmass]

I would hope by now most of us in the hobby know who 9***9 is although one of the lower bidders b***b had/has some strange habits

[tbob]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I would hope by now most of us in the hobby know who 9***9 is although one of the lower bidders b***b had/has some strange habits

Not sure what this means but if you are suggesting that this is a shill bidder I can assure you this is not the case. This is a bidder who seriously wanted the card and is well respected in the hobby.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Nevermind, I was confused.

[Sean1125]

redacted

[Rich Klein]

One of the dealers at my little Plano show last Sunday bought a blue front Aaron he only found out about through Sean's auctions. He thinks it will grade a "7".

Rich

[BillP]

Originally Posted by vintage954

That blue variation went for a lot!

I have an off topic question for everyone, and I didn't want to start a war but does anyone buy from gregmorriscards? I've been buying from him for years and always picked up commons for .99-1.50 but within the last two months I've noticed the same exact cards I've purchased multiple times going for 3 or 4 times more.
I'm starting to think that he is "shilling" his own auctions. Am I out of line?

I have bought many and am always pleased with the grading and service. I do think that the cards are bid up higher than base, but I attribute that to the somewhat undergrading that is in the description. I doubt that someone, for commons has the wherewithal to bid up these cards.

[jason.1969]

Originally Posted by vintage954

That blue variation went for a lot!

I have an off topic question for everyone, and I didn't want to start a war but does anyone buy from gregmorriscards? I've been buying from him for years and always picked up commons for .99-1.50 but within the last two months I've noticed the same exact cards I've purchased multiple times going for 3 or 4 times more.
I'm starting to think that he is "shilling" his own auctions. Am I out of line?

Jason Schwartz here. I bought a couple cards from this seller at GREAT prices. Perhaps my items were too cheap to care about, but I'm sure he could have gotten more out of me if he felt like it.

[ALR-bishop]

Were they blue ? :-)

[jason.1969]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Were they blue ? :-)

Only the T206 Wagner!

[brewing]

My theory on the blotches.
They were in a card shop near a window or under a light, and the holder had a price tag on it.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by brewing

My theory on the blotches.
They were in a card shop near a window or under a light, and the holder had a price tag on it.

Bingo we have a winner. Those square and round spots on faded cards are caused by price stickers. I buy these cards when I can find then. It lets me know what year/brand cards fade easily and what colors on the card fade. It is different for different year/brand and even back to front on some cards. Knowing this information has saved me a lot of $ from buying altered cards over the years.

ALR-bishop(Hi AL)started a thread a while back on fake cards in this section. As I have time in the next week or so I will add some pictures and information on faded/altered cards and how to spot them in that thread.

[Exhibitman]

Bingo! Those sticker patches are great evidence.

[roce4e52]

I would assume then that the reason we do not see the other low number commons with the missing/faded yellow is because they would never have been displayed but kept in boxes.?. So far have only found the stars as seen above.
Bill D.

[brewing]

There is a similar white letter 1969 Mantle on the bay right now. Looks faded to me, but it's in a slab.