E222 AWH Caramels

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Posted By: Seth B.

This is by far the hardest pre-war Southern League set to come by. How many of these things do you guys think even exist? I haven't seen one up for sale in years.
Also, does anyone know the relationship between these and the T206 SLers? I know that Shaughnessy has the same portrait in both sets.

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Posted By: dan mckee

I have 1 card in my type set. They are impossible! I think Leon has cornered the market on them. Dan.

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Posted By: peter ullman

Leon and Keith O...they're definitely rare. Personally I think there are bunches of them stashed away in personal collections...not seeing the light of day very often...but they're there.

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Posted By: Seth B.

Dave at gfg.com had a find a few years ago, but I haven't seen more since. They seem like the sort of small regional issue that might suddenly appear in yard sales and estate auctions in NC or VA, but I feel like there are 30-40 out there total right now. What's weird, I think, is the variety of backs with so few different fronts, as if every one was stamped with a different back or something.

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Posted By: Brian

Dan from San Diego way has a couple or more...

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Posted By: leon

I think there is at least one west coast collector that has a set of them. I know several board members have type cards from the set. Other than that I don't know of anyone that has very many. About three years ago there was a decent one on ebay and for some reason it didn't sell. It was from a very good ebayer and he did everything right too...but it didn't sell. I ended up giving a little more than 1k for it which I thought was a bargain....

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Posted By: pat

if i remember correctly, a couple years ago there was a lot of about 8 beater cards on ebay of which there were a few e222 cards in there. i believe 3 or 4 of the cards were e222 awa or awh caramels. at the time i remember thinking the auction went for a ton of $, but i am sure the buyer knew exaclty what he was doing and made out great. that was the first time i had ever seen one.


edited for spelling twice, lol.

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

of that lot was Dave (gfg.com)

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Posted By: Jeff Mohler

Dave Levin was the buyer. I think pictures of the E222s are still on his website. Two of the cards graded SGC 10 and two graded SGC 30.

If I recall correctly, there were a bunch of T206s mixed in with the lot. I think the seller was one of the consignment sellers on Ebay who had no idea as to the true value of the lot.

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Posted By: Sean

I remember watching the lot sit around $3k until the last minute and refreshing to watch the price jump up to the $12k Dave paid.
http://tinyurl.com/67et6z

This was also a good thread about the auction...
http://tinyurl.com/67b7rm

Edited to add the thread and add tiny urls.

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Posted By: Martin Neal

I tried to purchase the cards from the seller thru an Ebay store in Lynch- burg. I drove there because I was concerned that the T206s were being damaged by removing them from an album. Indeed, the T206s (about 20 with a green Cobb) looked to have been recently removed from the album. All had paper loss with an area that was extremely light colored and fresh looking. While there, I noticed 4 odd looking minor leaguers (the awhs and awhs). Not knowing what they were, I figured they were at least worth a couple of hunderd apiece. The owner very seriously considered my offer which was about $10,000.00 less than what he eventually got for them. If I had only known....
The seller also had two autograph books with at least a hundred autos all from around 1930 including Lefty Gomez, Joe Dimaggio, Rick Ferrell, Pepper Martin, Bobby Doerr). The highlight was one of the most beautiful signatures I have ever seen, a personalized Lou Gehrig. Very exciting for me, but ultimately bittersweet.

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Posted By: barrysloate

In 1999 I auctioned a Smith, Lynchburg that I graded VG-EX. It was the only one I ever had. I just checked the price and it sold for $656. Pretty funny.

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Posted By: leon

I think the "Pat" above is who I bought one of my first, if not the first, AWH from. I think I bought about 200 cards from you about 7-8 yrs ago. It was after I had won the E221 on ebay from you. I paid $200 for that AWH and it now resides in a 30 holder.....Is that you Pat, that bought the type card collection from an older gentleman and they were all in binders? If I remember correctly you owned an antique store too and your wife's name begins with a "C" (I don't divulge family info in public)? Or maybe I am losing it? That was a great collection you bought. I think you and I spent about 5-6 hours on the phone......unless this isn't you ..... (it was this Seiber)and it was this E221..

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Posted By: Jeff S.

I dug out one of his Winter 1994-95 catalogs. Where's the time machine?



And while I'm at it:



I think there was nearly 600 Obaks listed in this catalog alone. Not to mention probably a few thousand T206's...

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Posted By: barrysloate

Jeff- I bet the Smith, Lynchburg from Mark's list was the same one I had...but it looks like I overgraded it.

And Macrae says he's seen less than 20- most people haven't seen one!

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Posted By: Mark Macrae

Jeff....Thanks for posting one of the pages from my old catalog. Most of those cards were placed in advanced collections (& probably still there). I would however, be happy to buy back any of them if the customer is dissatisfied. Great Virginia League issue....

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Posted By: pat

leon- if you were referring to me, i never owned any e222s. never had an antique shop and never been married. my ebay id is cohocorp. you have me confused with another pat.

out of curiousity, why did you think that was me?

pat

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Posted By: leon

Sorry about that Pat. I guess it wasn't you. I thought it might have been you as his name was Pat too....and I thought your login actually sounded familiar....back to sleep on the couch.....