Is this really a VG/EX 4?

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Posted By: dan mckee

If I submit a T206 with a bottom left corner that round, a crease or tear in the middle bottom, and a bottom left corner with that much paperloss, I would NEVER get a 4.



http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/site/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=2055

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Posted By: Todd Schultz

If you sent it to PSA, not only would you not get a 4, you wouldn't even get it back

(sorry if you find that in poor taste)

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Posted By: dan mckee

Not at all in poor taste, I am just glad I can laugh about it now. You won't believe how many PSA digs I get, and all damN funny.

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Posted By: David Vargha

But I seriously doubt that bidders will be constrained either way.

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: Paul Griggs

If I submitted that card (and I wish I did), it would grade a PSA 2.

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Posted By: dan mckee

I agree Paul, on both accounts. Pop sold one for $1000 in 1989 and passed one up in 1994 for $8000. I had 2 chances to own it, I doubt I will ever get a 3rd.

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Posted By: Paul Griggs

Don't dwell on it too much. It sounds painful!

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Posted By: pete

that was funny todd...and scary...we all know its true...

is it possible that someone in PSA had it graded a 4 knowing it would fetch big bucks?
pete-

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Posted By: anonymousdave

everybody makes mistakes and grading is subjective

..I also thought I'd share this ultra rare card of the Louisville Slugger fielding a grounder with his unusual glove..guess I know now how he earned that nick-name.

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Posted By: pete

i think that one takes the cake!
pete-

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Posted By: WP

It also appears to have about a 2 inch crease on the bottom right corner of the card. Looks closer to a 2 than a 4.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

try "good" for the crease and corner chip and edge wear.

All that and still in a card condom? PSA sucks (no offense).

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

In all honesty, with a card that rare...

does it really matter what PSA says?

Is there anyone who is really paying more for the card because it says "4" than if it said "2"??

Look at the T210 Old Mill Joe Jackson card.

They acknowledge that the grading companies think it was TRIMMED...

and it hasn't slowed down the bidders.

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Posted By: WP

Hal,
I agree completely, the grade on this card has litlle bearing on the hammer price. In fact the card would probably do just as well raw. That being said, PSA once again decides to overgrade a high profile card high dollar card, and the condom is absurd.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

It is a sample of the grading service's work; there should be quality apparent. I mean, if you do a lousy brief but you win anyhow because the other side doesn't oppose, does that change the fact that you turned out a lousy brief? No offense, I am just making the point that everyone should do what DiMaggio said was his reason for trying his hardest in every game: produce your best work every time out simply because someone who had never seen your work before might be watching and might assume that your half-assed effort is your best.

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Posted By: HW

It looks like a 3 to me. I am suprised that it got a 4, especially since it was recently graded.

The T210 Jackson definitely looks trimmed to me. I have seen a fair number of 8th series cards before and I do not recall any having the uneven wavy borders that this card (or the balance of the lot) has. In fact, the couple of Jacksons that I have seen had much larger borders than this example.

It is interesting to note that Lipset writes that "There seems to be little question that the Series 7 cards...are the most difficult." He feels that the series 8 and 6 cards are the next most difficult. This would help explain the great rarity of the Jackson card.

I would still love to have either of these cards in my collection, especially the Ruth.

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Posted By: JimB

I agree with Hal that I doubt potential buyers care if it is in a PSA 2,3, or 4 holder. Looks overgraded, but it doesn't matter. It is what it is and has great eye appeal regardless.
JimB

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Posted By: PASJD

If that is a 4, what should this 4 be?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86843&item=5179102273&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

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Posted By: david

having seen the old mill jackson in person the card does not looked trimmed. one of the biggest problems that grading companys have is that when they see a wavy border they automatically assume it is trimmed. a wavy border on its own is not sufficient evidence to conclude that the card is trimmed when there is no other defining characteristics of a trim job present.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I agree David.

Who would "trim" the Jackson card but leave the rounded corners with defects and so forth?

A "trimmer" would have made the corners "sharp and square."

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Posted By: leon

On the T210 Jackson I believe the hobbyists know it's not trimmed. If it was wavy with sharp corners the bid wouldn't be over 30k (after juice). The grading companies have to protect themselves from public scrutiny so even if they think something is authentic, if it doesn't look like it, they most likely will not slab it. I can't say I blame them but it still sucks. Take the '09 Obaks for instance.......regards

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Posted By: HW

Regarding the T210 Jackson, I guess that I did not use the term trimmed correctly. I do not think that it was trimmed recently to deceive anyone.

But I do think that this group of T210's are hand cut. Maybe someone took home an uncut sheet from the factory and cut them down. Who knows, maybe the factory's cutting machine was broken and they had to resort to scissors.

I do know that I have seen plenty of T210's, including those from the 8th series, and have always felt that they had the same cuts as T205s, T206s, etc.

I never remember anyone hypothesizing that any T210s came with uneven cuts from the factory, ie Old Judges and 1909 Obaks.