Probstein Magie listing

[darwinbulldog]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/37568716279...Bk9SR-znl7HKZA

Seriously?

[philliesfan]

Wow. How does ebay allow that?

[ullmandds]

it obviously won't pass the ebay/auth/cert process...assuming there is one?

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

it obviously won't pass the ebay/auth/cert process...assuming there is one?

There is. I expect the listing will be cancelled later today, but I'm surprised it got by the Probstein staff. I would have assumed they knew what actual T206s look like and that they knew that this particular card wouldn't have a 350 back.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

it obviously won't pass the ebay/auth/cert process...assuming there is one?

People are bidding on it. The card will pass the ($250) threshold, assuming Rick doesn't end it early.

If it goes to authentication, it shouldn't pass. You never know, though.

In any event, shame on the consignor. They probably figure it's a low-risk move with a potentially high reward. Hopefully, it ends poorly for them.

[D. Bergin]

I'm sure some low level data entry person let it through. Will be sure to get pulled once the right people are aware of it............I hope.

[Fuddjcal]

If you Shillstien it, they will come.

[bmattioli]

"We do not accept returns. All sales are final."

Really??

[Tec87]

Wow they have a few bad apples in their recent listings. This Matty is terrible!

[topcat61]

This is completely and totally absurd. Probstien knows the difference between a fake and original. And quite honestly this is why its important to study the cards and printing. What a fake phony fraud this is and now I'm getting mad. What's next from Probstien, a 350 Series Tolstoi back Honus Wagner?!

[Eric72]

Bidding is over $1,000 with four and a half days to go.

[edhans]

Originally Posted by topcat61

Probstien knows the difference between a fake and original.!

If it were slabbed, perhaps he could tell. Not convinced he could spot a raw reprint, unless it was completely obvious.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by topcat61

Probstien knows the difference between a fake and original.

I would guess that Rick hasn’t personally handled a card he has sold in more than a decade.

[calvindog]

Has anyone emailed him? These aren't even close.

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Has anyone emailed him? These aren't even close.

Was wondering the same thing - I’d do it but my T206 knowledge is not bulletproof as others on this site

[G1911]

Interesting bids to get it over $2,000.

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by G1911

Interesting bids to get it over $2,000.

Yes sir - The same bidder with 12 feedback has made most of the bids ,
From $1.54 all the way up to $2100

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Yes sir - The same bidder with 12 feedback has made most of the bids ,
From $1.54 all the way up to $2100

Thankfully Probstein is a classy and reputable seller and his operation will surely both remove these obviously fake cards they've had listed for days and ban this shill bidder. Any minute now. Any moment. And if they don't, surely eBay will do something with the flag report I and others have made. Surely.

[Tec87]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Has anyone emailed him? These aren't even close.

I did the other day on the Magie and explained what was wrong with it but have gotten no response.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by edhans

If it were slabbed, perhaps he could tell. Not convinced he could spot a raw reprint, unless it was completely obvious.

The fact Probstein is even selling the card raw tells you all you need to know about his clown car operation.

[sbfinley]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Has anyone emailed him? These aren't even close.

He won't respond. Never does unless they are confidently incorrect. I stopped bothering emailing him about a decade ago after outing between 20-25 bad items over the years. His reps responded to exactly one email, when I tried to explain the card below wasn't PSA/DNA authenticated and the auto was probably bad. They responded that " the holder had not been compromised and that the auto was clearly authenticated as designated on the flip'. Funny enough, the card sold for a ridiculous sum and 6 months later was in a mid-major auction house popular on this forum. I again emailed that auction house and tried to explain the same issues. They also responded that the auto was clearly deemed authentic by PSA. It sold for even more dough. So I took it to the CU forums to hopefully educate some people. CU responded by giving me one month vacation. I gave up at that point.... My new belief system is that if you can drop four or five figures on a picture of a dude, you can take a little time to learn not to be a sucker.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

My new belief system is that if you can drop four or five figures on a picture of a dude, you can take a little time to learn not to be a sucker.

It's so difficult for me to fathom that there are people with lots of money and apparently some degree of interest in this hobby who will spend untold amounts on items that mere minutes of education would have told them was bad. Many of these people are obviously successes in other parts of their lives to be able to afford such material. If you are interested in any subject, then why wouldn't you learn anything about it? I would not want to be stuck in a conversation with people like that, even for a nanosecond. Not my way of thinking.

If the winner of the card in the OP is actually a legitimate bidder, they deserve to own that card. Sorry, I have no compassion for that level of ignorance. But they will be covered if it even gets that far. I'm amazed it has stayed up this long. Every aspect of this auction is infuriating.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

He won't respond. Never does unless they are confidently incorrect. I stopped bothering emailing him about a decade ago after outing between 20-25 bad items over the years. His reps responded to exactly one email, when I tried to explain the card below wasn't PSA/DNA authenticated and the auto was probably bad. They responded that " the holder had not been compromised and that the auto was clearly authenticated as designated on the flip'. Funny enough, the card sold for a ridiculous sum and 6 months later was in a mid-major auction house popular on this forum. I again emailed that auction house and tried to explain the same issues. They also responded that the auto was clearly deemed authentic by PSA. It sold for even more dough. So I took it to the CU forums to hopefully educate some people. CU responded by giving me one month vacation. I gave up at that point.... My new belief system is that if you can drop four or five figures on a picture of a dude, you can take a little time to learn not to be a sucker.

It's clear that the grade is not for the autograph and I'm amazed (not really) that both Leland's and Probstein would sell it. A simple review of the pop report shows that the card doesn't exist in the pop report as autographed, corroborated by the lack of autograph notation on the flip. What a joke!

As for the fake T206s, at this point I also have little empathy for the buyers. The cards jump out of the screen as fake. But this is the hobby and collectors are salivating at the prospect of getting a raw card at a cheap price.

[Eric72]

"This listing was ended by the seller on Sun, Oct 6 at 5:39 AM because there was an error in the listing."

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Eric72

"This listing was ended by the seller on Sun, Oct 6 at 5:39 AM because there was an error in the listing."

Forgot the word reprint.

[tycobb]

Originally Posted by Tec87

Wow they have a few bad apples in their recent listings. This Matty is terrible!

Yea this one was obvious too. Looks like it got taken down also.


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[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Fred

Forgot the word reprint.

Forgot?

Forgot.

Sure, we'll go with that.

[philliesfan]

"forgot"

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Yes sir - The same bidder with 12 feedback has made most of the bids ,
From $1.54 all the way up to $2100

Hence the name, "Shillstien". And after the obvious shill bidder wins, the item will be relisted and you'll have to go through the same shill bidder again. Ben Shiller will still be able to bid against you after he doesn't pay for a string of wins. Happens most days there. E-bay likes it and so does Rick Shillstein.

Long live shilling on ebay and long live crooked shilling "Prober"

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

and long live crooked shilling beenie boy.

Hey Chuck, good to know you are an antisemite. From this Jew - go fuck yourself, you piece of shit .

Ryan Hotchkiss

[Johnny630]

Oh man please apologize for that statement...not cool.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Hence the name, "Shillstien". And after the obvious shill bidder wins, the item will be relisted and you'll have to go through the same shill bidder again. Ben Shiller will still be able to bid against you after he doesn't pay for a string of wins. Happens most days there. E-bay likes it and so does Rick Shillstein.

Long live shilling on ebay and long live crooked shilling beenie boy.

While we have a number of threads where people demand there to be racism, I can't remember a direct actual occurrence of it here. What is wrong with you?

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Umm, yeah...have you ever looked around at a show? I'd venture Jewish men make up the strongest percentage on the collector ethnicity pie chart. Such comments obviously aren't good regardless, but it always helps to know your audience before you work the room.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Hey Chuck, good to know you are an antisemite. From this Jew - go fuck yourself, you piece of shit .

Ryan Hotchkiss

He's gone. (from this Jewish guy)
.

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Leon

He's gone. (from this Jewish guy)
.

I had honestly just gotten up to grab my egg timer.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Leon

He's gone. (from this Jewish guy)
.

Happy New Year!

Shame, but I wont miss any sleep.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Hey Chuck, good to know you are an antisemite. From this Jew - go fuck yourself, you piece of shit .

Ryan Hotchkiss

Yeesh, my sincerest apologies. Certainly did not know this comment was anti-semitic in anyway? My mother is Jewish, so that makes me Jewish too and I've been pretty sensitive to it my entire life. I never in my wildest dreams realized that phrase would offend. I am very sorry to you and to anyone else the "phrase" offended.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Yeesh, my sincerest apologies. Certainly did not know this comment was anti-semitic in anyway? My mother is Jewish, so that makes me Jewish too and I've been pretty sensitive to it my entire life. I never in my wildest dreams realized that phrase would offend. I am very sorry to you and to anyone else the "phrase" offended.

Thanks for the email (and post) about it. Apology accepted....
.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by philliesfan

Wow. How does ebay allow that?

Are you kidding? eBay, the company that continually tries to sell me 1991 Fleer Jose Uribe error cards for 5+ figures on their homepage?

eBay has never bothered to invest in either hiring or becoming category experts themselves, and apparently with their complicated authentication policies - never intend to. That's how they allow that.

[jchcollins]

Here’s another example. Because I clicked on Probstein in this thread, eBay now wants to sell me this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/13527522244...mis&media=COPY


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[JollyElm]

Look, I have no horse in this race (riot), and have no interest in getting wrath for speaking up, but when someone refers to a beanie, the immediate thought has always been using it to compare (read: insult) someone to a little, clueless kid wearing a propeller on his hat...a genericized beanie.

I checked Wikipedia for the hell of it and the listing is Beanie (seamed cap). Can't find anything about Judaism there.

Color me confused about the anger flying here.

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[jingram058]

beenie = beanie = antisemitic (read = yamaka)

One of the more fortunate and educational aspects of my childhood and youth was growing up in a VERY diverse neighborhood...Catholics, Protestants, and Jewish. And we all got along. That is, except for the eventualities that are bound to arise from time to time with a bunch of dumbass kids. One day, in anger and stupidity over something nonsensical, I made the stupid mistake of calling one of my best friends the aforementioned "beanie boy". After having my butt royally kicked, he didn't speak to me for about a week. I deserved everything I got. He eventually forgave me, and life went on, until some new crisis came along within our crew.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Look, I have no horse in this race (riot), and have no interest in getting wrath for speaking up, but when someone refers to a beanie, the immediate thought has always been using it to compare (read: insult) someone to a little, clueless kid wearing a propeller on his hat...a genericized beanie.

I checked Wikipedia for the hell of it and the listing is Beanie (seamed cap). Can't find anything about Judaism there.

Color me confused about the anger flying here.

Seems pretty obvious it was in reference to Probstein's religious headwear he usually wears. Seems pretty plain that he should be criticized on legitimate grounds (like the shilling and fake cards) and that this is not legitimate but clearly over the line and inappropriate. I'm see it's going to be spun and excused with a non-apology plea of ignorance, but it's quite a stretch to pretend it's not what it clearly was.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by G1911

Seems pretty obvious it was in reference to Probstein's religious headwear he usually wears. Seems pretty plain that he should be criticized on legitimate grounds (like the shilling and fake cards) and that this is not legitimate but clearly over the line and inappropriate. I'm see it's going to be spun and excused with a non-apology plea of ignorance, but it's quite a stretch to pretend it's not what it clearly was.

Well, then go fuck yourself, Mr. Argumentative.
I'm not spinning anything. How in hell would I know what headgear some guy who I only know via references to his name on Net54 wears? Obviously, I don't.
Now I'm going to go cry, because some random internet clown who spends 24 hours a day bitching at everyone doesn't like me. Boo hoo hoo.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Well, then go fuck yourself, Mr. Argumentative.
I'm not spinning anything. How in hell would I know what headgear some guy who I only know via references to his name on Net54 wears? Obviously, I don't.
Now I'm going to go cry, because some random internet clown who spends 24 hours a day bitching at everyone doesn't like me. Boo hoo hoo.

I think most of us have seen Probstein. He's pretty well known in this community. If you have never seen him and this was news, this should now make sense and the explanation should not make you throw a little bitch fit? I guess not.

The spinning non-apology was about Fuddjcal's comment after unbanning.

Good job though, you managed not to be a racist prick, so you're above some of this thread.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Well, then go fuck yourself, Mr. Argumentative.
I'm not spinning anything. How in hell would I know what headgear some guy who I only know via references to his name on Net54 wears? Obviously, I don't.
Now I'm going to go cry, because some random internet clown who spends 24 hours a day bitching at everyone doesn't like me. Boo hoo hoo.

I don't think he was accusing YOU of spinning the situation.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I don't think he was accusing YOU of spinning the situation.

Correct. JollyElm, as a third party who didn't make the comment, would be nonsensical to accuse of "

Originally Posted by G1911

a non-apology plea of ignorance

. As a third party who didn't say it, it makes no sense at all that an apology would be expected from him for anything. Only the person who made the racist comments would be expected to apologize.






Perhaps the next fit will be over something reasonable. So far this week we have 1 because I was against shooting people or drawing guns over non-minor card show thefts and 1 because I wrote against anti-semitic racism. I can't wait to see if the next fit even approaches the realm of the reasonable. We can do it if we try really hard, team!

[JollyElm]

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[G1911]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

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The transcript shows you started the fight because you misread the post. I like the graph though, would work for a lot of other threads.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by G1911

The transcript shows you started the fight because you misread the post. I like the graph though, would work for a lot of other threads.

Good one. Nice narrative. My post:

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Look, I have no horse in this race (riot), and have no interest in getting wrath for speaking up, but when someone refers to a beanie, the immediate thought has always been using it to compare (read: insult) someone to a little, clueless kid wearing a propeller on his hat...a genericized beanie.

I checked Wikipedia for the hell of it and the listing is Beanie (seamed cap). Can't find anything about Judaism there.

Color me confused about the anger flying here.

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Clearly in the very first sentence, I state that I have no horse in this race, which I don't. Can't recall ever interacting with the member taking all of the scorn. Maybe a contrarian will dig up posts that show me conversing with him, but it would be a surprise to me. And that's followed by me saying that I have no interest in getting wrath for bringing it up.

Literally, nothing there to argue about. I stated that I was confused about the anger and basically asked, "What's the problem with mentioning a beanie here?"

See, any rational person (which would exclude you), might say, "JollyElm, much like Steven Tyler with his scarves, it is well-know that a yarmulke is sort of Probstein's trademark, and that's why there's blowback."

I would've said, "Okay, thanks for the info."

But you??? Of course not, it has to be an argument. You quoted me, typed your bullshit implying that I'm some sort of apologist, and now want to pretend I started it????????????? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You very well could be the funniest person alive.

Now you can stop and just move on and I'll do the same. Ball's in your court.