E107 1903 or 1904

[DanP]

I see that the E107's were issued from 1903 to 1904. Is there a way (other than a player changing teams) to tell exactly which year a certain card was issued? I noticed SGC and PSA always label as "1903 ..." as opposed to "1903-04". Is there more to the story? I've never seen an E107 labeled "1904 ...".

Where can I get a copy of this article:
"1903-04 E107 Breisch-Williams: The Historic Set and It's Sponsor" - Old Cardboard, Issue #4 released on 7/15/2005 by Brian McQueen. I did a google search and didn't find it.

Thanks,
Dan

[Smokey Joe]

Hi Dan...you could order a back issue for $10 or someone may have the article, i will look now and see if i have it.


Mark

[Smokey Joe]

sent as PDF to your email, let me know how it came out...


Mark

[DanP]

Thanks Mark!

Dan

[tlwise12]

Mark,

Hi, I'm Travis! Is there anyway you could email that to me as well???

Thanks so much

tlwise12@aol.com
Travis

[DanP]

Travis, email with PDF attached sent (thanks again Mark).

Dan

[Smokey Joe]

sure, no problem....did it come out ok Dan?


Hi Travis...how's it going, that article is great. Also, i have an article of M116 from old cardboard by Tim N. The best article i have ever read about M116 cards.

[famousgolfers]

Mark,
Hello. Would you mind forwarding me a copy of the E107 PDF?
Thank you,
Jason

famousgolfers@gmail.com

[Smokey Joe]

Sure, will do....

[tlwise12]

Mark,

I wouldnt mind having a copy of the m116 article if you dont mind! Thanks a lot guys!!!

Travis

tlwise12@aol.com

[shammus]

I think I have a PDF version too...but looks like Mark already got it taken care of. Hope you all enjoy it!

-Brian McQueen

[Smokey Joe]

Ok Travis, give me a few hours. Not at home now.

Yeah Brian, my iPhone has a great app that let's you take pics of stuff and it transforms it into a PDF file which you can email to anyone!!!


Mark

[famousgolfers]

Mark,
Thank you for the PDF. It looks great.
Thanks again,
Jason

[Epps]

Could someone also forward it to me too. Thanks.

[Smokey Joe]

Epps, need you email address....

[Bicem]

none of you guys subscribe to Old Cardboard? It's only the best ongoing pre-war publication in the hobby!

[terjung]

Originally Posted by Bicem

none of you guys subscribe to Old Cardboard? It's only the best ongoing pre-war publication in the hobby!

No doubt. I purchased that edition specifically to get the E107 article and ended up ordering all of the back issues prior to it and subscribing to the magazine as well. I don't regret it for a minute. O.C. is highly recommended by this enthusiast.

[Smokey Joe]

Jeff, with so many unemployed these days even the yearly OC subsc. is something collectors without jobs can't afford.

I have a bunch of old OC issues so if anyone has a certain story they want to read let me know. With my new Iphone app. i can just take a pic and send PDF to someones email in less than 2 minutes!!!

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by Smokey Joe

Jeff, with so many unemployed these days even the yearly OC subsc. is something collectors without jobs can't afford.

if that's the case, then e107's probably aren't the best choice for a collection.

I just wanted to plug OC - great magazine and great people that run it!

[Smokey Joe]

Ha,ha...very true Jeff...although the prices have come down a bit.

[ErikV]

DanP,

I haven't read the OC article (issue #4) in some time, so it may
say otherwise, but keep in mind that the American League was
established in 1903. Without checking every single player in
the set and matching the teams they played for (which would
give an accurate time frame for when this series was issued),
and considering the rather archaic printing means of the period,
I would venture to say the set likely was issued as a promotion
in early 1904 - shortly after the very first World Series.

[lhardem]

Hi Guys (and Gal or two),

I just want to take the opportunity in this thread to provide a little Old Cardboard perspective.

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And quite frankly, we need your support.

While we are all for vintage collectors helping other vintage collectors, I'd like to ask you to think for just a moment before you so readily distribute PDFs of our copyrighted articles to those who are not supporting the magazine with a subscription.

With print media in general an endangered species, I look at Old Cardboard more as a retirement hobby than a viable business venture. We are now in our seventh year of publication and hope to continue for many years to come. We provide a massive website and monthly eNewsletter at no cost to viewers. If you do NOT count the enormous amount of time that Brett and I put into the effort, we are and will continue to be in the black. As soon and you place any value on our time (or that of our authors), we quickly go into the red. I do it because I enjoy it. For us to continue to pay our increasingly high color printing and magazine distribution costs, we must have your continued support.

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Mark T. (Smokey Joe), while I'm sure that you mean well, please realize that an open offer to freely distribute PDFs of previous articles from Old Cardboard is hurting us...and ulltimately hurting the hobby. It also significantly violates copyright law.

Thanks for taking a minute to hear our perspective,
Lyman

[Smokey Joe]

Sorry Lyman...i understand.

I did pay for my copy and realize it may be copyrighted so i will stop emailing PDF's.


I also love the magazine....


Mark

[DanP]

Originally Posted by ErikV

DanP,

I haven't read the OC article (issue #4) in some time, so it may
say otherwise, but keep in mind that the American League was
established in 1903. Without checking every single player in
the set and matching the teams they played for (which would
give an accurate time frame for when this series was issued),
and considering the rather archaic printing means of the period,
I would venture to say the set likely was issued as a promotion
in early 1904 - shortly after the very first World Series.

Thanks Eric.

So it could be argued that for AL Players who have both 1904 Fan Craze and 1903-04 E107's their "RC" (or 1st card) could be either a E107 or a 1904 Fan Craze? There would be no real proof that the E107 was actually produced in 1903 (except for a team change during that period, which I don't believe any AL HOF'ers had).

I'll stick with the much less expensive Fan Craze cards for AL HOF'ers unless there's real proof that the E107's were sold in 1903.

I guess this topic is similar to the 1916-1920 Big Head discussion going on in another thread.

Dan

[Bicem]

Wasn't it proven that all Fan Craze cards (both leagues) were produced in 1906?

edited to add: maybe not proven, but widely believed to be 1906?

[lhardem]

Originally Posted by Smokey Joe

Sorry Lyman...i understand.
I did pay for my copy and realize it may be copyrighted so i will stop emailing PDF's.
I also love the magazine....
Mark

Mark, thanks for understanding. In this day and age copyright infringement is rampant to the point that people don't even reallize they are doing it. In this case, no real harm done. It's only a hobby, right.

Glad you like the magazine, and thanks for your support.

Lyman

[bcbgcbrcb]

I believe Jeff is correct so it would be a near certainty that the E107's were issued one or more years prior to the Fan Craze cards. That being said, you can pick up high-grade Fan Craze HOF'ers for a fraction of the price of a poor condition E107. I guess it all depends on the preference of the individual collector.

[DLush]

I’m looking to buy a 1903 E107 Type 1 Billy Lush card.
Slim chances I know. Great grandfathers card

[Kawika]

Pains me to be the bearer of bad news but several dozen E107s were at auction just two nights ago including a nice PSA 5 of your great-grandfather. It fetched a bit over $3500.

https://brockelmanauctions.com/E107_...-LOT24307.aspx

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Bicem

Wasn't it proven that all Fan Craze cards (both leagues) were produced in 1906?

edited to add: maybe not proven, but widely believed to be 1906?

Based on some team designations, the WG2 American Lagerican Fan Craze cards were surely produced in 1906, the same year as their WG3 National League counterparts.

Lave Cross is pictured with Washington. He was purchsed by Washington on Dec 23, 1905.

Beany Jacobson is pictured with St. Louis. He was traded to St. Louis on Dec 8, 1905.

Will Sudhoff is pictured with Washington. He was traded to Washington on Dec 8, 1905.

[puckpaul]

I would subscribe, it says PayPal on the site but no link to how to do that. Better than mailing a check…any help Lyman?

[Baseball Rarities]

Wow. I just noticed that this thread was resurrected from 2010! I need to start looking at dates before I respond.

[Pat R]

I don't remember seeing it mentioned but although they're commonly referred to as Breisch-Williams the name was changed to the Williams Caramel Company very early in 1903.

[gabrinus]

I do that too Kevin...one thread I thought was a few weeks old and turned out to be ten years after someone had bumped it...Jerry

[Leon]

Originally Posted by gabrinus

I do that too Kevin...one thread I thought was a few weeks old and turned out to be ten years after someone had bumped it...Jerry

LOL....me too. I have looked so many times and was like, what the heck, this thread is 15? years old!

I still think the best thread ever was Dorskind threatening to sue Archive aka himself.
As for the dating of E107, I will go along with what's said in the thread.

and a card
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