FS: 1924 Walter Johnson and Teammates Original photo REDUCED 6/27

[Lucas00]

Here is the description given to me from the seller (assumingly from the original auction)

1924 snapshot featuring six members of the Washington Senators posing with their young children. Depicted from left to right are pitcher George Mogridge, Walter Johnson, Joe Judge, John Martina, Roger Peckinpaugh and Pinky Hargrave. It comes from Johnson's personal snapshot album, featuring the children of the great pitcher and his teammates (the boys outfitted in miniature Senators uniforms) and the handwritten notations on the reverse written in order by Hazel Johnson (Walter's wife).


You almost never see candid shots of so many great players in one photo. This is a beautiful photo in hand. Much nicer than I can photograph. Size is about 4x5

Price is $SOLD shipped priority. I will hear out possible offers so please feel free to pm me. However a simple take will override ongoing negotiations.

Ppff or check only please.

[GrayGhost]

GLWTS

Great photo!!!!

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

GLWTS



Great photo!!!!

Thank you Scott!!

[doug.goodman]

That's a pretty great photo. May I ask the dimensions?

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

That's a pretty great photo. May I ask the dimensions?

Thanks Doug!

It's a bit over 4x5.

[Dardevl]

It appears that it may be part of this set...

https://rmyauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=49004

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by Dardevl

It appears that it may be part of this set...

https://rmyauctions.com/bids/bidplace?itemid=49004

Wow, so they're like cards in a set, except photos. I think you're right. That is very cool. I know picture packs and other photo premiums do this. But for a news service to? I think that's unheard of. Especially so early. Explains the superb quality.

[prewarsports]

I have always thought this was as much a baseball card set as anything else in the hobby. They are just as much "cards" as the Frederick Photos for example. If more had been known about the issue in the 1980's to 1990's when the Standard Catalog was being produced and was liberal about what was being put into the book, they would be highly collected rare "baseball cards" today.

I believe they were only distributed to players and executives as well as a few newspapers etc., which would point to maybe 100 sets being made at the time with perhaps 10-20 or so known examples of each player existing today. Just a theory but I have been sort of studying the photos/cards for about ten years.

They are rare and undervalued in my opinion, GLWS

Rhys

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

I have always thought this was as much a baseball card set as anything else in the hobby. They are just as much "cards" as the Frederick Photos for example. If more had been known about the issue in the 1980's to 1990's when the Standard Catalog was being produced and was liberal about what was being put into the book, they would be highly collected rare "baseball cards" today.

I believe they were only distributed to players and executives as well as a few newspapers etc., which would point to maybe 100 sets being made at the time with perhaps 10-20 or so known examples of each player existing today. Just a theory but I have been sort of studying the photos/cards for about ten years.

They are rare and undervalued in my opinion, GLWS

Rhys

Tyvm for the expertise Rhys! Very interesting to learn something new about the hobby. Especially when it bridges multiple areas.

[OriolesHOF]

I am hoping Al from LOTG will chime in as it was last sold publicly a few years ago from one of his auctions.

"Charming 1924 snapshot featuring six members of the 1924 Washington Senators posing with their young children. Depicted from left to right are pitcher George Mogridge Walter Johnson first baseman Joe Judge pitcher John Martina shortstop Roger Peckinpaugh and catcher Pinky Hargrave. Some age-relating soiling are the only critical condition issues with a piece like that aside from some mild wear and slight corner creasing however it is not the condition of the piece that makes this so highly desirable - it's the fact that it comes from Johnson's personal snapshots featuring the children of the great pitcher and his teammates (the boys outfitted in miniature Senators uniforms) and the handwritten notations on the reverse written by Hazel Johnson (Walter's wife)."-LOTG Fall 2016

[Lucas00]

$600.

[BeanTown]

Very nice item. GLWS

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

Very nice item. GLWS

Thank so much Jay!

[ValKehl]

Lucas, that is a very nice 1924 photo of Senators players with their kids. GLWS.

Many years ago, I got the understanding (I can't remember from whom or where) that there were 30 photos similar to yours (in size and with the same back stamping) issued by National Photo of Washington, DC, in this "set" that Rhys refers to. But, I don't think your photo was included in this "set," and here is why I say this:

- I have 29 of these photos, which I got in a Legendary auction back in 2011, but your photo is not 1 of the 29.

- My "set" is missing the photo of Ossie Bluege, which I have seen and would very much like to acquire.

- 28 of these 30 photos appear in the Washington version of the 1924 WS program (also published by National Photo), which is not much more than a collection of pictures of the players and team officials with scorecards for the Senators and Giants on the inside front and back covers, respectively. There are no narratives about the players, no player statistics, etc. in this WS program. The 2 photos that don't appear in the 1924 WS program are, (1) a third photo of player-manager Bucky Harris, and (2) a photo of Wid Matthews who was reacquired from Sacramento (PCL) on Sept. 29, 1924, but was not included on the WS roster.

- Your photo is not included in the 1924 WS program.

Hope this info is helpful. Below is the photo of Earl McNeely, who knocked in the winning run in the 12th inning of Game 7, that is in this 30-photo "set."

Val

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Lucas, that is a very nice 1924 photo of Senators players with their kids. GLWS.

Many years ago, I got the understanding (I can't remember from whom or where) that there were 30 photos similar to yours (in size and with the same back stamping) issued by National Photo of Washington, DC, in this "set" that Rhys refers to. But, I don't think your photo was included in this "set," and here is why I say this:

- I have 29 of these photos, which I got in a Legendary auction back in 2011, but your photo is not 1 of the 29.

- My "set" is missing the photo of Ossie Bluege, which I have seen and would very much like to acquire.

- 28 of these 30 photos appear in the Washington version of the 1924 WS program (also published by National Photo), which is not much more than a collection of pictures of the players and team officials with scorecards for the Senators and Giants on the inside front and back covers, respectively. There are no narratives about the players, no player statistics, etc. in this WS program. The 2 photos that don't appear in the 1924 WS program are, (1) a third photo of player-manager Bucky Harris, and (2) a photo of Wid Matthews who was reacquired from Sacramento (PCL) on Sept. 29, 1924, but was not included on the WS roster.

- Your photo is not included in the 1924 WS program.

Hope this info is helpful. Below is the photo of Earl McNeely, who knocked in the winning run in the 12th inning of Game 7, that is in this 30-photo "set."

Val

Thank you Val, you are a wealth of knowledge.

This now confuses me even more! 😆. The same photo dimensions and stamp on the back, but not in the set. Very mysterious indeed.

[Lucas00]

Bumping this one down to $500.

[Lucas00]

Up. Make me an offer if you're interested. Read some of these comments. Not a piece you may ever see again.

[Lucas00]

Would trade for a nice card or two, if anyone would be interested in that.

[Lucas00]

$400. Need this one sold

[slade15342]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Lucas, that is a very nice 1924 photo of Senators players with their kids. GLWS.

Many years ago, I got the understanding (I can't remember from whom or where) that there were 30 photos similar to yours (in size and with the same back stamping) issued by National Photo of Washington, DC, in this "set" that Rhys refers to. But, I don't think your photo was included in this "set," and here is why I say this:

- I have 29 of these photos, which I got in a Legendary auction back in 2011, but your photo is not 1 of the 29.

- My "set" is missing the photo of Ossie Bluege, which I have seen and would very much like to acquire.

- 28 of these 30 photos appear in the Washington version of the 1924 WS program (also published by National Photo), which is not much more than a collection of pictures of the players and team officials with scorecards for the Senators and Giants on the inside front and back covers, respectively. There are no narratives about the players, no player statistics, etc. in this WS program. The 2 photos that don't appear in the 1924 WS program are, (1) a third photo of player-manager Bucky Harris, and (2) a photo of Wid Matthews who was reacquired from Sacramento (PCL) on Sept. 29, 1924, but was not included on the WS roster.

- Your photo is not included in the 1924 WS program.

Hope this info is helpful. Below is the photo of Earl McNeely, who knocked in the winning run in the 12th inning of Game 7, that is in this 30-photo "set."

Val

ValKehl, in your opinion, does it not being in the WS program make it more or less desirable to the masses? I think it’s amazing either way!


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[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by slade15342

ValKehl, in your opinion, does it not being in the WS program make it more or less desirable to the masses? I think it’s amazing either way!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Good question. I'm thinking this photo was likely produced in lesser quantity than the photos in the 30-photo set. Hence, this photo could be more valuable. On the other hand, I think individual player photos tend to be more valuable than group photos.

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

Good question. I'm thinking this photo was likely produced in lesser quantity than the photos in the 30-photo set. Hence, this photo could be more valuable. On the other hand, I think individual player photos tend to be more valuable than group photos.

Fair Assessment Val!

[Lucas00]

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[Lucas00]

Nobody interested in a possibly unique photo of one of the top pitchers of all time with a group of teammates?

Nicer scan for a better look.

[Lucas00]

Forgot about this one, just got an offer on ebay for it but would love to sell here. I'll do $350.

[Near-Mint Musings]

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