T206 520 set ?

[MR RAREBACK]

Has anyone already done the homework
If you try for all 520 in the hardest backs say
Drum
Uzit
Lenox
broadleaf
Carolina brights
Hindu
epdg
Tolstoi
Cycle
American beauty
Would you need other backs to get to 520
I know you would at least need 2 polar bears
And you have to go for sovereign or old mill on two of the cobbs
This seems like it would take a lot of research

[53toppscollector]

I did this quickly, so if I made a mistake, cut me a bit of slack.

I used the following scarcity rating for the backs from Scot Reader

1. Brown Lenox
2. Broad Leaf 460
3. Drum
4. Uzit
5. Red Hindu
6. Black Lenox
7. Broad Leaf 350
8. Carolina Brights
9. Piedmont 460/42
10. American Beauty 350 No Frame
11. American Beauty 460
12. Cycle 460
13. Brown Hindu
14. American Beauty 350 Frame
15. Sovereign 350 Apple Green
16. Sovereign 460
17. Cycle 350
18. Sovereign 150
19. Tolstoi
20. El Principe de Gales
21. Sweet Caporal 460/25
22. Sovereign 350 Forest Green
23. Old Mill
24. Old Mill Southern
25. Polar Bear


If you start at Brown Lenox and move down, eliminating cards till you get to the end, the most "common" back you need is Polar Bear for Demmitt and O'Hara STL variations, and then it is Old Mill SL for those printed without Hindu Brown backs, and then an Old Mill BBS. As most would guess, it belongs to Elberfeld Washington Portrait, which was printed only with Piedmont 350, SC 350/30, SC 350/25 and Old Mill Backs.

Here is the full rundown:

Lenox Brown: 21
Broadleaf 460: 27
Drum: 104
Uzit: 27
Hindu Red: 14
Lenox Black: 11
Broadleaf 350: 72
Carolina Brights: 24
Hindu Brown: 136
AB 350 With Frame: 5
Sovereign 350 Apple Green: 4
Sovereign 150: 48
Tolstoi: 4
EPDG: 2
Sovereign 350 Forest Green: 4
Old Mill: 1
Old Mill Southern League: 14
Polar Bear: 2

[53toppscollector]

One thing to note, however, is that not all Sovereign 150s and Old Mills are created equally.

For a lot of the Print Group 1 subjects, the Old Mill is much much harder than the Sovereign. In some cases, there are 4 or 5x more Sov150s than Old Mills.

[Rhotchkiss]

Don’t forget the brown old mills, blue old mills, and blank backs!

[HobokenJon]

To do this right, you’d really need to look at the different pops subject by subject. Plenty of subjects in the 150-350 series are much tougher with Old Mill backs than brown Hindu or other rare backs. Likewise, the toughest back in the 350-only series for numerous subjects is Tolstoi — even tougher than Drum.

[MR RAREBACK]

If we shave some of the harder backs down what would it look like say for instance
Lenox brown 2
Broadleaf 460 4
Drum 8
Uzit 8
Hindu red 8
Lenox black 20
Broadleaf 20
Carolina 20
Hindu 80

[sreader3]

Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

I did this quickly, so if I made a mistake, cut me a bit of slack.

I used the following scarcity rating for the backs from Scot Reader

1. Brown Lenox
2. Broad Leaf 460
3. Drum
4. Uzit
5. Red Hindu
6. Black Lenox
7. Broad Leaf 350
8. Carolina Brights
9. Piedmont 460/42
10. American Beauty 350 No Frame
11. American Beauty 460
12. Cycle 460
13. Brown Hindu
14. American Beauty 350 Frame
15. Sovereign 350 Apple Green
16. Sovereign 460
17. Cycle 350
18. Sovereign 150
19. Tolstoi
20. El Principe de Gales
21. Sweet Caporal 460/25
22. Sovereign 350 Forest Green
23. Old Mill
24. Old Mill Southern
25. Polar Bear


If you start at Brown Lenox and move down, eliminating cards till you get to the end, the most "common" back you need is Polar Bear for Demmitt and O'Hara STL variations, and then it is Old Mill SL for those printed without Hindu Brown backs, and then an Old Mill BBS. As most would guess, it belongs to Elberfeld Washington Portrait, which was printed only with Piedmont 350, SC 350/30, SC 350/25 and Old Mill Backs.

Here is the full rundown:

Lenox Brown: 21
Broadleaf 460: 27
Drum: 104
Uzit: 27
Hindu Red: 14
Lenox Black: 11
Broadleaf 350: 72
Carolina Brights: 24
Hindu Brown: 136
AB 350 With Frame: 5
Sovereign 350 Apple Green: 3
Sovereign 150: 48
Tolstoi: 5
EPDG: 2
Sovereign 350 Forest Green: 4
Old Mill: 1
Old Mill Southern League: 14
Polar Bear: 2

Wow nice job James! To those curious I didn’t include Brown Old Mill and Blank in my list because they are hand-cut. I’m not sure what to make of Blue Old Mill. Withholding judgment on that one.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by MR RAREBACK

Has anyone already done the homework
If you try for all 520 in the hardest backs say
Drum
Uzit
Lenox
broadleaf
Carolina brights
Hindu
epdg
Tolstoi
Cycle
American beauty
Would you need other backs to get to 520
I know you would at least need 2 polar bears
And you have to go for sovereign or old mill on two of the cobbs
This seems like it would take a lot of research

If I didn't miss any you could get to 484 without using other backs

If you exclude Sovereign and Old Mill in print group 1 (150/350 subjects) there are 19 subjects that you would need to use an Old Mill or Sovereign


Brown, George (Washington)
Cobb (bat on)
Cobb (green portrait)
Crawford (throwing)
Criss
Dahlen (Brooklyn)
Donohue
Elberfeld (portrait Washington)
Hahn
Jacklitsch
Kleinow (NY with bat)
McGraw (finger in air)
Nicholls (hands on knees)
Murphy (throwing)
Niles
Oldring (fielding)
Stahl (no glove)
Waddell (throwing)
Williams

Print Group 2 has 3 subjects that you would need to use a back not on your list

Demmitt St. Louis
O'Hara NY
O'Hara St. Louis

and you would need the Old Mill for the 14 Southern League subjects thet weren't printed with a Hindu back