'48 Leaf Wagner/Robinson - Print Variation?

[yanks87]

Are these documented print variations, or just flukes? I have seen several representations of each of these, (Sans detail on Jackie's hat, and no color on John's left hand). Just wondering if these are on par with Aberson and Peterson variations. There was obviously 2nd printing of all the cards hence the other variations and the correction of the Hermanski error, but I have never seen these called out.

[Econteachert205]

Wouldn’t the yellow strip by the left side of Jackie’s card vs the absence of it be a variation?

A few different variations on the Musial also

[oldeboo]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

Wouldn’t the yellow strip by the left side of Jackie’s card vs the absence of it be a variation?

Hmm good eye on that

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by yanks87

Are these documented print variations, or just flukes? I have seen several representations of each of these, (Sans detail on Jackie's hat, and no color on John's left hand). Just wondering if these are on par with Aberson and Peterson variations. There was obviously 2nd printing of all the cards hence the other variations and the correction of the Hermanski error, but I have never seen these called out.

Hey guys,

Jackie's portrait is slightly shifted to the RIGHT, resulting in that skinny yellow sliver along his right shoulder. Ditto for the Wagner card. The Yellow ink was one of the 1st colors printed
on these cards (in the 4-color process).

I've seen this effect on a number of these 1949 LEAF BB cards. This is not a variation, but simply a printing anomaly.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[oldeboo]

It almost looks like that Robinson has a yellow strip on the outer edge of both shoulders. Seems like the image is slightly smaller, as opposed to a print shift. Maybe my eyes are failing me

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by oldeboo

It almost looks like that Robinson has a yellow strip on the outer edge of both shoulders. Seems like the image is slightly smaller, as opposed to a print shift. Maybe my eyes are failing me

Oldeboo, you're a hundred-percent correct. The BLUE CAP variant is found with yellow bars on both of his shoulders. Leaf Gum Co. later corrected this and removed these yellow bars. Jackie's image wasn't shifted at all.



Now here is the corrected version below:



The yellow bars have been removed in the corrected version of this card. The image hasn't been shifted at all. Some black was added to his cap in order to give it a better shaded look. Furthermore, the magenta on his face was reduced.

[steve B]

The reduced magenta was just going back to using red instead. There's a whole separate print run where they used the actual magenta - Yes, the very pink ones.

The ones with the extra bars come both normal and with bright pink.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by steve B

The reduced magenta was just going back to using red instead. There's a whole separate print run where they used the actual magenta - Yes, the very pink ones.

The ones with the extra bars come both normal and with bright pink.

Steve, can you post some Jackies here and show us what you're talking about? Thanks

[yanks87]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hey guys,

Jackie's portrait is slightly shifted to the RIGHT, resulting in that skinny yellow sliver along his right shoulder. Ditto for the Wagner card. The Yellow ink was one of the 1st colors printed
on these cards (in the 4-color process).

I've seen this effect on a number of these 1949 LEAF BB cards. This is not a variation, but simply a printing anomaly.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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The variation in my mind is not the yellow stripe, but the lack of detail and in the hat, and the missing color from Wagner's hand. The Musial has similar issues with the hat, it is almost as if the plates were changed (or wore down as the detail was pretty fine) for the second printing?

[tedzan]

Brian

The differences you're pointing to are simply printing variants. The LEAF cards are replete with such color differences.
Here are some examples in my set......












And then, there is BLUE or no BLUE.




TED Z

T206 Reference
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[steve B]

Hopefully this link works

https://1drv.ms/x/s!AnK7duip0UvBxzpc...UZplq?e=YXqAtT

I made an excel spreadsheet with pictures of as many different 49 Leaf cards as I could find, and organized them by things like lines where bats or portraits meet the border, shading on hats, Bright magenta instead of red etc. They land in 5-6 distinct categories, perhaps more.

There are lots of small differences, and some transitional types where for example the hat is cut down away from the border on one color but not the other.

I don't think the spreadsheet is anywhere near complete.

[HawkFan70]

Ted - I've never seen that middle, baby blue Musial variant....really cool card!

[yanks87]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Brian

The differences you're pointing to are simply printing variants. The LEAF cards are replete with such color differences.
Here are some examples in my set......

Ted

I agree there are a TON of print variations, especially in regards to ink colors and plate order (typically black ink will always go down first). When a color block changes, like on the Aberson sleeves, that is a physical change to the blue plate. There had to be an actual replacement of that plate in order for the color block to change (short to long, long to short). I'm sure that there are more in the set than just the Robinson, Musial, and Wagner, but there are distinct plate changes as color block have changed or been removed. Or like that awesome Platt that you posted, some plates were totally missed! I guess my over arching question is should there be a designation for the difference like there is for Aberson and Peterson. Peterson is probably the closest to the Jackie/Stan change as part or all of the black plate detail was removed.

I'm fascinated by the prints, process and variations, being that I am a designer and do a ton of screenprinting. I mostly wanted to see if others thought that maybe the variations (outside of Hermaski) warranted a full designation, while the other changes don't?

[samosa4u]

Brian,

I love this thread you started.

If you look at the Post-war section, then you'll see that a few threads were started on this subject. It's very interesting, for sure.

I say YES, some of these print variations that we see should be given special designations. For example:



This is the most commonly found Jackie.



Now this one is the BLUE CAP variant. The black color is missing from his cap. This example is more difficult to find than the one above it, but it's not rare or anything like that. I also want to point out that the magenta found on his face is usually stronger for this BLUE CAP variant.

Again, this is a very interesting subject that very few collectors pay attention to. I think if you (or anyone) has the time to just sit around examining thousands of these cards, then a book could be written about it!

Oh, and by the way, I do have a Jackie, but it's the BORING one that I posted first. It's not a variant either. I would love to own the BLUE CAP variant someday.