E107 McCarthy

[Cat]

I was looking at this McCarthy E107 that was in a past Legendary auction and realized it was slightly different that a previous scan I had of McCarthy. One shows his position as "Fielder" and the other shows the abbreviated "Fdr."

I hadn't realized there were E107 variations other than different teams.

[oldjudge]

I know nothing about E107s, but isn't that a difference between a type one and a type two?

[e107collector]

Darren,

Is it possible that one of the left that has the border trimmed off is a Type 2?

The image looks deeper as well, compared to the one of the left.

Tony

[terjung]

Looks like an uncatalogued Type 2 to me, Darren.

[e107collector]

Out of curiosity, is the back blank on the Authentic one?

Tony

[sb1]

There are two different fonts on the type 1's which does make the captions shorter or longer on several of the cards. This does however look like a type 2, with the darker grey stock.

After looking at the original auction in 2010 the cards all appear to be type 1's and it IS a different abbreviation.

[shammus]

Darren, can you post a scan of the back? If it looks like grayish cardboard stock, I'd say that what you have here is an uncatalogued type 2. There were font/caption inconsistencies on several cards between the type 1s and type 2s

[Cat]

I don't think it is going to be much help:

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by Cat

I don't think it is going to be much help:

You need to give that card a bath!

[terjung]

Here is a similar comparison from a Type 1 and Type 2 Keeler. Note the alignment of the font compared to his jacket as well as the cardboard color difference.

I'm still thinking that the number of known Type 2s just went from 9 to 10 and the master set grew by 1.

The thing that is interesting to me on the McCarthy, aside from the font and color differences, is the right side border thickening/smudging on both cards (just above ear level).

[shammus]

Going to borrow Brian's Type 1 Keeler for a comparison with this Type 2 Keeler that I used to own. This helps illustrate the point I was making about the captions being different in Type 1s vs. Type 2s. Notice in mine, they spell out "New York" but in the Type 1s, it's "N.Y." Certain words would get abbreviated in the position or city in one Type, and sometimes weren't printed the same way in the other Type.

I noticed that black smudge on the right border of the McCarthy as well. However, that's something that was more of a flaw in the photo and it makes sense that that would exist no matter which paper stock the card was printed on.

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I think there are eight Type 2s currently known with the Waddell being the most recently discovered. Brian, I could be missing one though?? I'm also somewhat skepical about one of the other cards too. So this McCarthy would hypothetically be #9.

[terjung]

Originally Posted by shammus

I think there are eight Type 2s currently known with the Waddell being the most recently discovered. Brian, I could be missing one though?? I'm also somewhat skepical about one of the other cards too. So this McCarthy would hypothetically be #9.

I was actually using your article from Old Cardboard to come up with the eight and then adding Waddell and McCarthy to make 9 and 10.

ETA: I just noticed that your article doesn't have a #6. So, you look to be correct. I simply looked at the last number and didn't physically count them until trying to make a list.

Old Cardboard (Issue #4, Summer 2005)
E107 Type 2s
(1) Ed Delahanty
(2) Jack Doyle
(3) Wee Willie Keeler
(4) Nap Lajoie
(5) Tommy Leach
(6)
(7) Socks Seybold
(8) Fred Tenney

Recently added:
Rube Waddell

Potentially added:
Jack McCarthy

[Cat]

Wasn't it more common for the typesetter to eliminate the space but add the comma to separate name/position/team on the type IIs, while the type I typesetter would leave a space but eliminate the comma when fitting the caption was a challenge?

[shammus]

Originally Posted by terjung

I was actually using your article from Old Cardboard to come up with the eight and then adding Waddell and McCarthy to make 9 and 10.

ETA: I just noticed that your article doesn't have a #6. So, you look to be correct. I simply looked at the last number and didn't physically count them until trying to make a list.

Old Cardboard (Issue #4, Summer 2005)
E107 Type 2s
(1) Ed Delahanty
(2) Jack Doyle
(3) Wee Willie Keeler
(4) Nap Lajoie
(5) Tommy Leach
(6)
(7) Socks Seybold
(8) Fred Tenney

Recently added:
Rube Waddell

Potentially added:
Jack McCarthy

Had a chance to have a quick look at my old article this morning. It says towards the beginning of the article that there are 7 Type 2s. I believe I started the writing the article back in 2004, so this article simply may have predated the Waddell being added to the actual checklist.

But I did notice the printing error in the chart. Looks like they just skipped #6 and went straight to Seybold at #7. There is still no mention of the Waddell being a Type 2 in the chart either. Tenney is the final Type 2 listed, but he should be #7 not #8. Waddell, when he was added, became the 8th and then if McCarthy or any others are added, that would be the 9th.

[terjung]

I had a bit of an epiphany with regard to the E107s – specifically as it relates to Type 1 and Type 2 variations. I know there has been discussion as to where the Type 2s came from (such as an advertising display), but unfortunately I don’t have any new information to share on that front. I do, however, feel that I have figured out some decisive characteristics common to all Type 2s – beyond just the hand cut borders and the thicker stock. In so doing, I feel confident in stating that the E107 McCarthy that was the focus of this thread is NOT a Type 2 and does NOT need to be added to the checklist. Similarly, it is worth mentioning that the E107 Lajoie in the current Heritage Auctions catalog, which is listed as a Type 1, is in fact a Type 2, in my opinion.

[Bicem]

Terjung sighting!