The problem with the shiny stuff.

[KingFisk]

I know this is football specifically but this is just unreal. Another reason to be skeptical about modern collecting. http://www.sportscardradio.com/dak-p...topen-scandal/

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[swarmee]

Do you remember the Russell Wilson fiasco a couple of years ago where they bought Seahawks jerseys from China and inserted them in cards, as game-worn? And this was in a box of cards that cost $4,000 or something...

[KingFisk]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Do you remember the Russell Wilson fiasco a couple of years ago where they bought Seahawks jerseys from China and inserted them in cards, as game-worn? And this was in a box of cards that cost $4,000 or something...

Yep. And I saw something not too long ago with some "game worn" jerseys cut up on a 1/1 (I think?), except the tags on the card were Mitchell and Ness. Can't make this stuff up.

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[yanksfan09]

Originally Posted by KingFisk

I know this is football specifically but this is just unreal. Another reason to be skeptical about modern collecting. http://www.sportscardradio.com/dak-p...topen-scandal/

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Wow that's bad. But at least that is detectable to trained eyes and if it was widespread I'm sure we'd know about it.

I would certainly never trust a "game used" relic/swatch/fragment of something. Basically zero way to authenticate that other than taking the companies word for it.

[Econteachert205]

The only paninis I want have cheese and meat in them.

[KingFisk]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

The only paninis I want have cheese and meat in them.

Nice. I ended up with four out of 25 signed Rashard Higgins 2016 National Treasures cards (don't ask, I don't even collect football or much modern), and I intend to corner that market. Never mind he is like the fourth WR on the Browns depth chart. After that, I am done with Panini.

[steve B]

Are autopens that good now that they can make slight differences? Or is he just using multiple autopens?

[yankeesjetsfan]

Panini should be held as accountable as Prescott needs to be for trying to rip off both Panini and the collectors. He was paid for his autograph. He needs to make it up to collectors for trying for autopen his sig & shame on Panini for not catching this before the cards went out.

Mike

[KingFisk]

WaPo has picked up story. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.6a665ce68969

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[Cowboy Fan]

That sucks as a Cowboys fan, but maybe this will help rid the hobby of panini and the junk they mass produce. Bring back Topps football

[rats60]

Originally Posted by KingFisk

I know this is football specifically but this is just unreal. Another reason to be skeptical about modern collecting. http://www.sportscardradio.com/dak-p...topen-scandal/

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This is only Panini. Upper Deck had an employee get autos in person. Panini is a garbage company. UD had their problems, but they need to get their licenses back.

[bn2cardz]

This was an interesting interview/discussion about this.

https://www.facebook.com/plugins/vid...005417%2F&show

[Leon]

How anyone can collect that stuff after watching those interviews is just beyond me. Collectors should buy stock in Santa Claus as he seems more real than the majority of the shiny crap out there, at least according to those guys talking about how they all used stamps to autograph things. Just another reason I can't stand most new Pro sports athletes or new sports cards.

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

This was an interesting interview/discussion about this.

https://www.facebook.com/plugins/vid...005417%2F&show

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Leon

How anyone can collect that stuff after watching those interviews is just beyond me. Collectors should buy stock in Santa Claus as he seems more real than the majority of the shiny crap out there, at least according to those guys talking about how they all used stamps to autograph things. Just another reason I can't stand most new Pro sports athletes or new sports cards.

To be fair, to an extent, auto pens, wife signatures, secretarial, and bullpen signatures plague the vintage as well. Of course the difference is those weren't backed by a third party stating they were genuine.

[packs]

Yes, we should not forget the Sinclair Oil Ruth balls given out as prizes to people.

[KingFisk]

Did you guys see the "resolution" to the scandal? A contract extension! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4c6f8fb5a9f2

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[Sierra79]

Originally Posted by KingFisk

Did you guys see the "resolution" to the scandal? A contract extension! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4c6f8fb5a9f2

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Hopefully, that contract extension is likely, "you're going to sign for cheap, your going to sign a lot, and for a long time." also, did Dak apologize?

Either way I don't really collect to much of the premium era stuff with the exception of what I am still working on with my Maddux PC (which doesn't go past 2009).