Ali near death (Ali has died at 74)

[Stonepony]

News services are reporting that The Greatest is on life support. My childhood hero...sad

[ksabet]

Where did you see that?

Checked ESPN, CNN, FOXnews, AP, and CNNSI.

Only CNNSI said anything and it said he was in fair condition

[Leon]

Sad news.....A quick Google search shows this might not be the first time folks have thought he could be nearing the end. Hopefully he can fight back from this too. But Parkinsons and his other issues might make it impossible. Float like a butterfly....sweet memories of watching him in the ring.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world...-a3263606.html

[Stonepony]

I hope I jumped the gun...

[bigtrain]

An exceptional athlete and an amazing person. Praying for his recovery but should it be his time...may he float like a butterfly.

[rdwyer]

I heard something briefly on the news this morning. Sounded minor to me. Hang in there champ.

[Brian Van Horn]

The respiratory issue is obviously concerning. My father had Parkinson's and it was pneumonia which ultimately caused his passing.

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

An exceptional athlete and an amazing person. Praying for his recovery but should it be his time...may he float like a butterfly.

Who are you praying to? God or his god.

Sorry, Ali (Cassius Clay), Malcomn X, and such, does not sit well with me. If you look more into his life, he is not the American hero everyone embraces.

I don't wish his death, but, I am prepared on how the media protrays his life.

But, to each his own.

-Jimmy Knowles

[Republicaninmass]

C'mon


Everyone loves you when your dead

[Touch'EmAll]

Years back, when he lit the Olympic flame - one of the most choked up moments of my life. I remember i couldn't hold back the tears.

[khkco4bls]

Originally Posted by xplainer

Who are you praying to? God or his god.

Sorry, Ali (Cassius Clay), Malcomn X, and such, does not sit well with me. If you look more into his life, he is not the American hero everyone embraces.

I don't wish his death, but, I am prepared on how the media protrays his life.

But, to each his own.

-Jimmy Knowles

Jimmy touche. great boxer but did things I don't agree with either

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by xplainer

Who are you praying to? God or his god.

Sorry, Ali (Cassius Clay), Malcomn X, and such, does not sit well with me. If you look more into his life, he is not the American hero everyone embraces.

I don't wish his death, but, I am prepared on how the media protrays his life.

But, to each his own.

-Jimmy Knowles

Jimmy, Muslims are monotheists. You might want to add that to your lists of things to look into.

[FirstYearCards]

Originally Posted by xplainer

Who are you praying to? God or his god.

Sorry, Ali (Cassius Clay), Malcomn X, and such, does not sit well with me. If you look more into his life, he is not the American hero everyone embraces.

I don't wish his death, but, I am prepared on how the media protrays his life.

But, to each his own.

-Jimmy Knowles

I'm assuming the way you say "God or his god" implies his is a false "God". Being an atheist, I'm more impressed that he chose his religion as opposed to being given one by his place of birth and/or upbringing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ali never advocated racial violence as far as I know. I am not sure what point is being made.

[xplainer]

I knew it would not be popular, but I have never held Ali very high. Again, I don't wish his death or anything, I just think people should know his connections and unreported activity, before they say what a hero he is.

He has a very checkered past. Look into it.

I'll let this thread ride. Just exposing another side of his life story.

PM if you want to further the discussion.

[Exhibitman]

Peter, whatever point it is, it is not consistent with the Judeo-Christian ethical system. Or did I miss the part about where it is good to say nasty things about people who are ill?

Ali has brought a lot of joy to a lot of people all around the world. I wish him well.

[BBSD]

Off the rails real quick.

[George]

What a shame........we're running out of low-life draft dodgers.

[ErikV]

Dave,

I've heard the same reports. Fox and MSNBC News are tweeting the same info.

Muhammad Ali in "grave condition." https://t.co/a4vcAcfnEE

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by George

What a shame........we're running out of low-life draft dodgers.

Whoa. I am not a prolific poster by any means, but I can't imagine the restraint I would have to have to only post four times in 7 years on this board.

[Kenny Cole]

And I thought we weren't supposed to go to the religion thing. If that restriction is lifted, I have some thoughts that I would LOVE to share about some of the comments on this thread.

[Leon]

If this thread goes the religion route it will be locked. Lot's of places to discuss religion and this isn't one of them....thanks all

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by xplainer

I knew it would not be popular, but I have never held Ali very high. Again, I don't wish his death or anything, I just think people should know his connections and unreported activity, before they say what a hero he is.

He has a very checkered past. Look into it.

I'll let this thread ride. Just exposing another side of his life story.

PM if you want to further the discussion.

Too bad he wasnt more like Pete Rose, Joe Paterno, Ray Carruth or OJ

[drmondobueno]

How can you forget the battles with Joe Frazier? What a pair of warriors those two were.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

Whoa. I am not a prolific poster by any means, but I can't imagine the restraint I would have to have to only post four times in 7 years on this board.

That's okay. Based on his response less is more...a lot more!



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[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by xplainer

Who are you praying to? God or his god.

Sorry, Ali (Cassius Clay), Malcomn X, and such, does not sit well with me. If you look more into his life, he is not the American hero everyone embraces.

I don't wish his death, but, I am prepared on how the media protrays his life.

But, to each his own.

-Jimmy Knowles

That's 'portrays' genius. If you have to be ugly, try to be smarter about it.

[Kenny Cole]

Well, all I guess I will say is that most people, whether religious or not, have enough grace not to say shitty things about someone who may be dying and who, regardless of opinion, probably did as much to shape this nation as did any other athlete in the last 40 years. You can love it or hate it, but its true.

IMO, it is very sad that some people can't get past their own personal prejudices, particularly at a time like this. That's not a shame on him, that's a shame on you.

[timn1]

Originally Posted by ksabet

Too bad he wasnt more like Pete Rose, Joe Paterno, Ray Carruth or OJ

I never revered Ali as an athlete because boxing leaves me cold, but he was one of the most important figures of the Civil Rights movement, no question. And that's enough to make Ali d*mned important.

(Or maybe some of you guys still think we should be back in the 1950s where race relations are concerned... )

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Well, all I guess I will say is that most people, whether religious or not, have enough grace not to say shitty things about someone who may be dying and who, regardless of opinion, probably did as much to shape this nation as did any other athlete in the last 40 years. You can love it or hate it, but its true.

IMO, it is very sad that some people can't get past their own personal prejudices, particularly at a time like this. That's not a shame on him, that's a shame on you.

+1

[the 'stache]

I just saw on ESPN that Ali died.

RIP, Champ.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by George

What a shame........we're running out of low-life draft dodgers.

Hmm. Four posts in seven years.

Do us all a favor, George. See if you can't up your average length of time between posts so we don't have to see you scurrying around on the board again any time soon.

[Orioles1954]

R.I.P to "The Greatest!"

[Dewey]

Weird to be told by Vin Scully. But it is a message best delivered by such a gracious man. RIP.

[vintagebaseballcardguy]

We have been losing many sports icons of late.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

[the 'stache]

The Grim Reaper can take a break for a while, as far as I'm concerned. David Bowie, Glenn Frey, Garry Shandling, Prince, George Martin, Alan Rickman, and now Muhammad Ali.

This year really sucks, so far.

[Dewey]

He refused the draft a year before MLK delivered his major speech against Vietnam and then was assassinated the next day. Neither of them were low lifes. Some see refusing to enter foreign wars without just cause an act of moral courage, not cowardice. Any appreciation of historical context makes his decision understandable, whether you agree or not.

Thanks for the memories Ali, but I always favored Sugar Ray Leonard.

Originally Posted by George

What a shame........we're running out of low-life draft dodgers.

[bcornell]

Originally Posted by George

What a shame........we're running out of low-life draft dodgers.

[REMOVED] This forum used to be great, but it's awful now. Arbitrary enforcement of rules by the moderator, plus people who don't know anything about vintage cards and don't care posting over & over again.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Dewey

Weird to be told by Vin Scully. But it is a message best delivered by such a gracious man. RIP.

Every time I watch a Dodgers broadcast, I have this pit in my stomach like it's the last time I'm ever going to hear his voice.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by bcornell

Virtually every OT thread on this forum is either silly or, like this one, a magnet for stupidity. Thanks, "George".

Leon, the rule should be if you don't put your name to it, you don't get to post at all. No qualifiers.

for 'george':

The statement is appropriate "You can't fix stupid."

- and another one from the same source (Ron White):

"Next time you have an idea, (rather than sharing it)- just let it go."

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Every time I watch a Dodgers broadcast, I have this pit in my stomach like it's the last time I'm ever going to hear his voice.

Me too!


Garry Shandling slipped past me...did not hear about him.

just googled him and he made me laugh again,

"What I want at my funeral is an actual boxing referee to do a count, and at 'Five', just wave it off and say, 'He's not getting up.'"



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[Dewey]

Which is I haven't missed a call of his this year.

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Every time I watch a Dodgers broadcast, I have this pit in my stomach like it's the last time I'm ever going to hear his voice.

[nat]

" the rule should be if you don't put your name to it, you don't get to post at all. No qualifiers."


That's going to knock all of our posts down by two grades, you know.

[Nappy1525]

RIP Ali what a sad day in history

[pclpads]

Originally Posted by xplainer

I don't wish his death or anything

You sure about that, chummo? Fooled me. Looks like you got your "wish." Georgia, huh? Figures! He was a revered and great man to many, not just blacks.

[glynparson]

Rest in peace Champ. Just a little education as well. Muslims and Christians both worship the same God, The God of Abraham. And Mr. Trump dodged the draft so if you are ripping Ali for not going to Vietnam I hope you are not supporting Mr. Trump for President. Stated for contextual not political reasons. Love or hate him Clay/Ali was one of the most important people of the 20th century and one of the most important and socially relevant athletes in history. On a card note I had several Clays (Hemmetts and Rekord) on Ebay for a couple months as BIN and sold 4 of the 6 within 2 minutes of each other last night.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Rest in peace Champ. Just a little education as well. Muslims and Christians both worship the same God, The God of Abraham. And Mr. Trump dodged the draft so if you are ripping Ali for not going to Vietnam I hope you are not supporting Mr. Trump for President. Stated for contextual not political reasons.

I thought religion wasn't allowed on here, but that is not true.

As far as Ali, his religion is irrelevant. He was a great athlete and humanitarian. Arguing about his religious beliefs or politics, both of which don't belong here per the rules, is in poor taste at the time of his death.

[glynparson]

I did not bring up the religion discussion but responded to earlier attackers. And just stated facts my intention was not to debate. Facts are facts I gave no opinions. Iwent by what the pope has stated on religion as I figure he knows a little more about religion than i do.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by glynparson

I did not bring up the religion discussion but responded to earlier attackers. And just stated facts my intention was not to debate. Facts are facts I gave no opinions. Iwent by what the pope has stated on religion as I figure he knows a little more about religion than i do.

Well I would suggest that you educate yourself a little more. You stated an opinion which is not the same as a fact.

[bobbyw8469]

I liked Ali. He never did anything to me. That being said, I agree with some that say he wasn't the hero everyone paints him out to be. Those old enough to remember his Playboy magazine interview after he converted to the Nation of Islam will know what I am talking about. Irregardless, God rest his soul and I hope he finds the peace he deserves.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bcornell

Virtually every OT thread on this forum is either silly or, like this one, a magnet for stupidity. Thanks, "George".

Leon, the rule should be if you don't put your name to it, you don't get to post at all. No qualifiers.

George Altemose gave the unneeded opinion. I will say that this board has not always been friendly to the deceased, aka Where art thou now, Brucii?

And for Ali, RIP Champ...

a very good and succinct report is here.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/muhamma...042902069.html

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