Mantle Avalanche

[Yoda]

Obviously, there are any number of factors in play, but I am slightly overwhelmed by the sheer number of choice '51 Bowman and '52 Topps cards of the Mick available at the moment either via an auction house, Ebay or whatever. I wonder if the trigger point for the current avalanche was the live Goldin auction at the National in July where, I think, the Topps example set a new record. And I wonder if the "8" ending tonight in the PWCC auction will reach the magic 500K level? Can I stand the excitement?

[Leon]

I think there are a lot of investors in at these levels. I don't think that is bad or good, just making a statement.
Only time will tell if the prices are sustained but this 8 will be a record when it ends...It is already 15% above the one sold in the Goldin Live auction. This card is on fire.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-M...EAAOSw5VFWMpF8


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[Stonepony]

I think the card tonight will eclipse $500,000 and have no idea when the 52 and 52 tide will peak. I'm anticipating $ to start heading into the higher grade later issues with some vigor.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

I think the card tonight will eclipse $500,000 and have no idea when the 52 and 52 tide will peak. I'm anticipating $ to start heading into the higher grade later issues with some vigor.

Those cards are so plentiful even in high grade that I am not sure you will see that spillover effect, but who knows.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

I think the card tonight will eclipse $500,000 and have no idea when the 52 and 52 tide will peak. I'm anticipating $ to start heading into the higher grade later issues with some vigor.

It seems to me that later Mantle issues in 8 or 9 have already been going up quite a bit lately. Especially centered ones.

[Exhibitman]

The frequency of these cards coming to market should not be surprising; they are not rare. 1952 T Mantle PSA pop 1,293 [117 of which are 7 or better, unqualified]. For contrast: PSA T206 Wagner pop 33 plus 2 qualified cards. Put another way, there are three times as many slabbed PSA 7 or better Mantles than there are Wagners in any grade. And yes, I realize there are some resubs in the PSA list but the overall point remains.

[1952boyntoncollector]

the RC is a waterfront property on the intercoastal...the 1953 ..if its waterfront its on a canal..maybe navigable ..maybe not...after that I don't really see the rest of the mantles getting that same type of attention...but maybe at the psa 8 level....basically a POP thing....

unfortunately many of my waterfront cards are just on a drainage ditches

[HRBAKER]

Is the '52 a RC?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Is the '52 a RC?

According to SGC it is, for some reason.

[Stonepony]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

the RC is a waterfront property on the intercoastal...the 1953 ..if its waterfront its on a canal..maybe navigable ..maybe not...after that I don't really see the rest of the mantles getting that same type of attention...but maybe at the psa 8 level....basically a POP thing....

unfortunately many of my waterfront cards are just on a drainage ditches

Same type of attention? No. However it's Mantle and he's arguably a top 5-10 player collected. If his cards ( all years) don't do well in the future, that doesn't bode well for the hobby in general. I'm reminded often that scarcity/rarity almost always takes a backseat to popularity and they don't come much more popular that the Mick

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

Same type of attention? No. However it's Mantle and he's arguably a top 5-10 player collected. If his cards ( all years) don't do well in the future, that doesn't bode well for the hobby in general. I'm reminded often that scarcity/rarity almost always takes a backseat to popularity and they don't come much more popular that the Mick

i agree with some of what you said...mantle cards do have a premium versus regular cards and its definitely about popularity which impacts scarcity or not...lots of cards are very very rare but no one wants them so theres no value there...

but yeah when a hobby goes down the main cards keep their value and the rest goes in the tank..so that is a possibility..like i said before..even in the housing crisis years ago the waterfront properties were still going strong..people threw their money on the 'safe' stuff... houses across the street inland were getting crushed even though they were in the same neighborhood, sometimes just across the street...i have seen mantles psa 8s do well in later years..so they still doing well...but i judge a waterfront property/card a few ways:

1. could there be an exponential rise in price just due to centering (cards going for what was previously though to be 2 or 3 grades higher etc) Call it the pretty picture test..like the ty cobb psa 5.5 that sold today

2. do even bad condition cards cost more than the average person puts in their collection (mantle psa 2s in late years for example can be had for very cheap) A 1952 Topps psa 1 mantle still costs a TTON

3. There are more conditions as well but giving you a gist on what i think...i could be wrong with my whole line of thought..but just giving you what i mean by waterfront properties..

[4815162342]

Mantle is the new T206 in board topics.

[Sophiedog]

That 52 Mantle is a Beauty Rob

[glynparson]

as a 7 year old in 1979. I have been hearing how overpriced this card is since that time yet it continues to increase in value. It often has these huge jumps in price throughout its history. They level off and may make a minor pull back but its always far above previous levels. Then a time period passes and we go through this process all over again.

[Paul S]

I'm more mystified about the PWCC 52T hammer price because with all the emphasis people seem to put on eye appeal and centering, the image has a tilt within its' borders - unless it's a scanner issue, which I doubt. (Maybe a 9-10 with a qualifier, instead?.) PSA registry thingie

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Paul S

I'm more mystified about the PWCC 52T hammer price because with all the emphasis people seem to put on eye appeal and centering, the image has a tilt within its' borders - unless it's a scanner issue, which I doubt. (Maybe a 9-10 with a qualifier, instead?.) PSA registry thingie

3 bidders at 460k or more.....very very strong. It's a great 8 though maybe not the absolute best. The consignor should be quite happy on that one.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2047675.l2565


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[1952boyntoncollector]

If you are PWCC and the high bidder doesn't pay for the 52 Mantle...you cant relist it right? nobody would want to consign a card like that again..

Thus, we may be seeing this card at another AH in 2016......