Yet another slabbed fake. I love 3rd party grading

[danmckee]

You can easily tell by the broken boxes on back.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Babe-Ruth-19...item2c5eb5d192

[GrayGhost]

broken boxes?

[docpatlv]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

broken boxes?

Scott,

The lines that form the box on the back don't meet at the corner(s).

Mike

[GrayGhost]

Unless my eyes are worse than I thought, don't these "Not meet"?

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...?lotid=108654#

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by GrayGhost

Unless my eyes are worse than I thought, don't these "Not meet"?

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...?lotid=108654#

Your eyes are perfectly fine.

For what it's worth, the PSA cert entry reads "FRO-JOY BABE RUTH (NO LONGER GRADE)". Anyone who would be interested in buying this card would hopefully read the cert, know that it's a forgery, and avoid placing a bid in the auction.

[Jaybird]

Here's a pic of mine which shows the closed box. I also think you can tell (in person) by the clarity of the photos. The dupes just don't have the crispness of the real ones.

We've discussed this before but the open box (as identified in the Legendary Photos) would indicate that the card was cut from the larger ad. Or more likely scanned from the larger ad for duping or counterfeit. Am I right on this Darryl?

The closed box, along with rolled edges of the factory cut cards are one thing to look for for legit factory cut cards. If the card has an open box, theoretically it would be hand cut and come from the larger ad piece.

[Exhibitman]

The submitters are monkeys throwing their feces at the PSA wall and hoping some of it sticks. Apparently, sometimes it does...

That link to the cert appears to my untrained eye to validate the item as being a PSA graded card from a set that PSA no longer grades, not a decertified card. Am I missing something?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The submitters are monkeys throwing their feces at the PSA wall and hoping some of it sticks. Apparently, sometimes it does...

That link to the cert appears to my untrained eye to validate the item as being a PSA graded card from a set that PSA no longer grades, not a decertified card. Am I missing something?

I think you got it correct, Adam. However, in PSA's defense the Fro-Joys, and some of the card stock iterations, make it extremely difficult to tell authenticity. SO much so that the best graders in the hobby might not be 100% sure on some of them. And not that I am one of those people, but I do have quite a bit of experience with this set, and I too am not 100% on their authenticity sometimes. regards

ps..> I should clarify a little bit. I have handled 100-200 of these cards and there have been 2-3 that I have not been 100% on, but it does happen.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

That link to the cert appears to my untrained eye to validate the item as being a PSA graded card from a set that PSA no longer grades, not a decertified card. Am I missing something?

You are correct. PSA no longer grades these. The card still shows to be graded a PSA 5 in their database.

At this point, PSA has no way of knowing which of the cards they slabbed are authentic or not. Maybe the right thing to do would be to remove all the certs and the people with legit cards could send them back in again for re-authentication with a new cert #. Otherewise, you would think this would cost PSA a lof of money with their buy back guarantee.

Just another reason why PSA sucks!

[glchen]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

You are correct. PSA no longer grades these. The card still shows to be graded a PSA 5 in their database.

At this point, PSA has no way of knowing which of the cards they slabbed are authentic or not. Maybe the right thing to do would be to remove all the certs and the people with legit cards could send them back in again for re-authentication with a new cert #. Otherewise, you would think this would cost PSA a lof of money with their buy back guarantee.

Just another reason why PSA sucks!

Umm, SGC also shows these cards in their population report. And SGC also says that they no longer grade these cards. So, I guess that means SGC sucks also?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by glchen

Umm, SGC also shows these cards in their population report. And SGC also says that they no longer grade these cards. So, I guess that means SGC sucks also?

Given what I said above, and with quite a bit of experience with these, I don't think PSA or SGC sucks for not grading them. For the record Beckett will grade them but I also know that they will not grade (at least one of) them if they are not 100% sure of their authenticity. Personally, I think all of the top 3 should grade them when they are sure of them.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by glchen

Umm, SGC also shows these cards in their population report. And SGC also says that they no longer grade these cards. So, I guess that means SGC sucks also?

Umm, I didn't say PSA sucks because they're in the pop reports or because they no longer grade them. I said PSA sucks because they authenticated a counterfeit one (actually more than one).

When you're in the business of authenticating things (baseball cards or other), you better make damn sure what you're authenticating is, well, umm... AUTHENTIC!

If there is any doubt, just admit it (nothing wrong with that) and refund the customer's money or give them a voucher.

Again, this is just one reason why PSA sucks. I could give you a laundry list of others.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

When you're in the business of authenticating things (baseball cards or other), you better make damn sure what you're authenticating is, well, umm... AUTHENTIC!

Where is the challenge in that?

[Leon]

If this is not a compromised holder with a different card put into it, then this is a shame. Any grading company should know better than this....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-FRO-JOY...-/270803785623

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[danmckee]

I am going to disagree with you on this one Leon, I think it is fairly easy to tell when handled. I think the grading companies should grade these but they should hire someone that knows something about vintage cards. Dan.

[danmckee]

I started a new thread with this gem!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...E:B:SS:US:1123

[Clutch-Hitter]

Bottom left has broken text border, bottom right is a blue version, Both are 70's.