List of sets with incorrect years recorded..

[DanP]

I'd like to put together a list of sets that PSA, SGC, SCD, etc have recorded/labeled incorrectly.

I'll start with some "mistakes" I've learned about from this forum:
32 US Caramel --> 33
07-09 Novelty Cutlery --> 09-11?
16-20 W-UNC Strip Cards --> 19-21?
36 Canadian Goudey --> 37
48 Leaf --> 49
08 E91 --> 09?

More?

Thanks!

[yanksfan09]

I think r315, forget years, but probably issued over a couple years

[Robextend]

I was always under the impression that the American Caramel E91A set came out in 1908, E91B in 1909 and E91C in 1910. Is this incorrect?

[ls7plus]

I have some real doubts that the R314 Goudey "creamy" Joe DiMaggio premium is in fact a 1937, rather than 1936 (true rookie) issue, as it pictures Joe not in his Yankees,' but San Francisco Seals uniform, which he would have last worn in 1935. Seems to me a '37 issue, after the break-in rookie campaign Joltin' Joe put in (.323, 29 HR's) would have seen to it that DiMag appeared in Yankee garb. I know the Standard Catalog now contends this is indeed a 1937 issue, but I think I've seen PSA label it both ways.

Comments most welcome.

Larry

[vintagecpa]

1917 Collins-McCarthy E135. Many of the blank backs were originally listed as 1916 by the grading companies.

[abothebear]

The W560s have been discussed here as being catalogued incorrectly. It can't be a 1927 set, and is probably a 1929 issue (or later?). Is that that the kind thing you are looking for?

[novakjr]

I think the 1939-46 Salutation Exhibits that were printed after '46, which I believe can usually be determined by the use of "Printed" amongst other things, should be treated as a secondary issue, rather than be considered '39-46. Basically, the ones with the captions that fit the time period should stay as listed, while the others should be considered a post '46 salutation exhibit.

[DanP]

Originally Posted by Robextend

I was always under the impression that the American Caramel E91A set came out in 1908, E91B in 1909 and E91C in 1910. Is this incorrect?

Rob, I may be wrong about that one. I can't remember where I read it!

[DanP]

Originally Posted by abothebear

The W560s have been discussed here as being catalogued incorrectly. It can't be a 1927 set, and is probably a 1929 issue (or later?). Is that that the kind thing you are looking for?

Yes, thanks!

[ls7plus]

I agree with George. The W560 set contains Foxx, which would seem highly unlikely absent some psychic prowess on the part of the manufacturer, as Jimmie's first year of any note at all would have been 1928 (.328, 13 HR's in 400 at bats), with his first real Foxx-type year occurring in 1929 (.354, 33 HR's). 1929 at the absolute earliest.

Good thread, Dan.

Larry

[Baseball Rarities]

Great thread.

N28 - 1888, not 1887

M101-5 - 1916, not 1915

[PolarBear]

T3's and T9's are 1910, not 1911.

[bcbgcbrcb]

William Paterson, most likely 1924, possibly 1923 but definitely not 1922

[DanP]

Is there positive proof that this set was issued in 1924? Has anyone here done any analysis of the players on the cards (i.e. uniforms)?

Thanks.

[FrankWakefield]

For several years I've thought that the Metropolitan Studios issue became available in early 1932, not 1931. I agree that it definitely depicts the 1931 personnel.

[terjung]

Fan Craze was incorrectly labelled as 1904 on many slabs (instead of 1906).

Additionally, Kevin Struss posted some research about Novelty Cutlery PCs not being as early as what has been listed.

[tedzan]

For many years, these Blue Tint cards were identified as 1947, or 1947-1948, or 1948-1949. And, in some instances they still are.
They are strictly a 1948 issue....period.

Also, their ACC classification....R346....is incorrect. These cards were available in strips of eight. But, they were never associated
with any gum or candy products. Therefore, they should have been classified as a W-xxx issue.







TED Z

[Bridwell]

I've seen Walter Mails game cards listed as 1923 or 1924. Which is correct?

Great thread!

[DanP]

Please keep these coming! I should have mentioned that I would like to create a summary in a spreadsheet type format that we can all access easily (maybe via this forum, if not at least from my website, maybe OldCardboard, etc.).

If at all possible, please provide your reasoning, proof, etc. so I can attach to each item in case someone disputes our findings.

For us RC collectors there's almost nothing worse then winning a card that you believe is a players true RC only to find out the issue date is wrong!! I actually lucked out a few times, barely loosing out in an auction only to find out after the card was no more a players RC then what I already had (i.e. Speaker Novelty Cutlery).

Thanks.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Here's another, Overland Candy - catalogued as 1936 but could not be earlier than 1938 as Joe Gordon is included and his rookie season was 1938. More than likely a c1939 issue though.

[bcbgcbrcb]

As per my William Paterson post earlier in this thread, the inclusion of Travis Jackson pretty much rules out both 1922 & 1923 along with the fact that the company was based in Canada and produced a hockey set for the 1924-25 season and with hockey being the national sport in Canada, it is highly unlikely that they would have first produced a baseball set and then hockey afterwards.

[rhettyeakley]

-E220 is a 1922 issue, not a multi-year issue
-Walter Mails set is from 1924 (see the thread i started several years ago)
-Ted, there are other non-sports sets issued in the 1930-40's in strips that show no signs of having been produced with candy that are R-cards so I don't think that the R346's need to be re-classified just because they were in strips.
-W560 is 1929 at the earliest (see recent thread) as there are players within that were first with that team in 1929.
-It is well known certain players within the 1939-46 Salutation set were printed well beyond the 1946 date (however, the 1939-46 date of the set denotes when that players card FIRST appeared in the Exhibit series as cards (like the more common Ted Williams are known on sheets dated into the 1950's)
-what evidence is there that R315's were issued over a number of years? Unless a set drops/adds players and/or updates teams why do we like to assume multi-year issues when there is no evidence of it being so (like E220)?
-Witmor Candy is from 1921
-Henry Johnson is from 1921
-Haffner's if from 1921
-Gassler's is from 1921
-Keating Candy is from 1921
-Holsum Bread is both a 1920 & 1921 production (you CAN tell the early from the later set)
-The T203 Mayo Baseball Comics is probably from 1908-10 or so (not 1900) and was prbably produced around the same time as the closely related T114 Up To Date Comics set

[DanP]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

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-Witmor Candy is from 1921

Rhett: How do you know Witmor Candy is from 1921?

[rhettyeakley]

The Witmor candy set was produced concurrently with the E121 Series of 80 set in 1921, and actually it was from the earlier production of that set as the later updates (the "ends in eighty" cards made near the end of the season/World Series) were not included in the set. It is undoubtedly a 1921 set. In 1922 the American Caramel Co. produced the Series of 120 and the E120 set. I also believe the E122 set was produced in 1921 and not 1922 but that one will be tougher to prove as they just reused images from the early print runs of E121 Series of 80 and re-photographed them, and I guess they could have done that in 1922 but like I said it too is likely a 1921 issue. The Gassler's set is an interesting one because it is from late 1921 and was produced concurrently with the late Series of 80 runs (end in eighty cards)and the Koester's Bread set as it includes those New York players that first show up in the time line around the time of the 1921 World Series.
-Rhett

[tedzan]

The cover of my Goodwin Champions (A36) Album has an interesting inscription that is dated "1889". The Goodwin Champions (N162) set
is catalogued as an 1888 issue. When I acquired this Album many years ago, this inscription aroused my curiousity. So, were these cards
actually issued in 1889 ?

Yes, this may be anecdotal.....however, at least two factors suggest that this set must have been issued in 1889 (instead of 1888).

Beecher was in the Yale Class of 1888

But, most significant is........
Fred Dunlap was traded to Pittsburgh on Nov 5, 1887. On his card he is identified as Pittsburgh's Captain (manager). Researching this, I
find that he was a player / Manager with Pittsburgh in 1889.






TED Z

[DanP]

Originally Posted by tedzan

But, most significant is........
Fred Dunlap was traded to Pittsburgh on Nov 5, 1887. On his card he is identified as Pittsburgh's Captain (manager). Researching this, I
find that he was a player / Manager with Pittsburgh in 1889.
TED Z

Wow! Ted, could that mean that the N28 was issued 89-90 instead of 87-88?

[bcbgcbrcb]

Thus far from everyone's responses, it seems that in almost every single case, any dating discrepancies always seem to be later than the originally believed issue dates, are there any cases where it is earlier?

[tedzan]

I would say that the Allen & Ginter sets (N28 & N29) were issued in 1888 & 1889, respectively.

I don't think these two sets were issued after the N162 set.


TED Z

[Joe_G.]

I believe N28 (Bennett) & N29 (Getzien) were both 1888 issues, Detroit's last year in the league and only year they wore striped uniforms. N162 is an 1888 issue as well (Brouthers with Detroit).

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Here's another, Overland Candy - catalogued as 1936 but could not be earlier than 1938 as Joe Gordon is included and his rookie season was 1938. More than likely a c1939 issue though.

I like the Overlands....maybe they were issued multiple years?

[Joe_G.]

Police Gazette Cabinets are listed as 1890, but suspect they are a several year issue. This Getzien photo-shoot dates to April 1886, with Detroit disbanding after 1888 season. So this cabinet dates to between 1886 and 1888. This image with the same name plate (Chas. Gatzein) appears in the 1888 SF Hess N338-2 set.

[fkw]

the R314-4 DiMaggio is in fact a 1937 issue, ..... there is a Bobby Doerr card in the set.

off hand can only think of one not mentioned yet...

1948 Old Gold Jackie Robinson (2 dif) should be 1947 and included with his rookies (back bio says born 28 years ago)