It's no Sin to Pour it In- Jack Sutthoff

[Leon]

I got a call 2 days ago from a gentleman that found my website and my personal collection online. His name is Steve Sutthoff. You guessed it, it is Jack's grandson. There is a very good biography of him online but the main question is, are there any baseball cards of him besides this one? Anymore stories or info would be great too. I love the poem on this one .....

Also, to Brian Campf.- I believe I got this from you. Can you tell me where you picked it up?

[GoSoxBoSox]

What did the guy want?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by GoSoxBoSox

What did the guy want?

To buy this card. It's not for sale though.

[rhettyeakley]

Leon, I don't think Jack was ever pictured on any true "cards" but I do have this Stenzel's Rooter Button of Sutthoff...

-Rhett

[Leon]

Thanks Rhett. I am sure Steve will enjoy seeing that pin. Much appreciated!!

[timzcardz]

Not a card, but he is listed and pictured in "Baseball in Toledo" By John Husman.
http://books.google.com/books?id=pPa...seball&f=false

[Shoeless Moe]

If it really is his grandson, why wouldn't u sell it to him?

[Bicem]

because I have dibs.

[timzcardz]

He is also listed in the 10/06/1906 edition of Sporting Life.

http://www.la84foundation.org/Sports.../SL4804018.pdf
(First column under "Toledo.")

[martyogelvie]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

If it really is his grandson, why wouldn't u sell it to him?

why wouldn't you just give it to him.. think of the KARMA you would receive in return!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by martyogelvie

why wouldn't you just give it to him.. think of the KARMA you would receive in return!

I didn't sell it to him because it's not for sale. He is a printer and I have ok'd him to download the image and make a beautiful color copy. I even offered to go to Kinko's and have one made for him. Besides that there are a lot of things the gentleman has from the grandfather. If this card was the only thing left about his grandfather, or was something extraordinarily special, then I would consider offering it. Him not being a collector means the color copy will probably be just fine with him. I did tell him that if I ever do get rid of it then he has dibs.....right behind Jeff ....

As for "karma" I do believe in it....and try to live it....

[iggyman]

Good Golly! That Sutthoff card must be haunted! It obviously fueled the prohibition era and now look at what chaos it has caused on this thread. I want no part of its karma...........Leon, please immediately remove me from the number three slot on your Sutthoff beneficiary will!

Lovely Day...

[calvindog]

This is a funny thread.

[Doug]

I could only imagine what it would like to be a kid in school nowadays with the name Jack Sutthoff (assuming it's pronounced the way it looks)...

[Anthony S.]

Leon,

Do you have any idea what year that (very cool) card was produced?

[oldjudge]

Doug-That's hilarious

[Doug]

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Doug-That's hilarious

When I first saw the title on the main page I thought someone hacked Leon's account, especially with the "It's no sin to pour it in" part added to it.

[timzcardz]

Originally Posted by Anthony S.

Leon,

Do you have any idea what year that (very cool) card was produced?

I'm obviously not Leon, but it would have been between 1909 and 1919.

From The Baseball Biography Project . . .

"I made the biggest mistake when I quit professional baseball in 1909 to enter business for myself." In any case, Sutthoff returned to Cincinnati and operated a saloon bearing his name at the intersection of St. Lawrence, Enright and Warsaw avenues -- on Price Hill, one of the Queen City's first outlying settlements.[14] Jack and Nellie Sutthoff's large family -- as well as Nellie's brother Jim Crowe, a railroad worker -- lived above the establishment. "Dad was an easy touch for credit," his son recalled. So many patrons were in his debt that he accepted goods when he couldn't get cash, including cameras, dumbbells and encyclopedias. In January 1920, as Sutthoff prepared to close his saloon in compliance with the arrival of Prohibition, he gave away what remained of his inventory of whiskey.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by timzcardz

I'm obviously not Leon, but it would have been between 1909 and 1919.

From The Baseball Biography Project . . .

Hey Tim
Good guess. The grandson and myself put this card at between approx. 1910-1915.

[bmarlowe1]

seated far right.

[Sutthoff Grandson]

Hello to all and many thanks to Leon. I want to also thank everyone who has replied to this and attached the articles and photos. Although I am not a collector of the really old stuff like you guys, I have collected cards since I was a kid, 70's to 90's. I still love the hobby but with a family of my own I really don't have the cash to do it properly anymore (maybe when the kiddies move out??). With all that being said I do VERY much want to get ANYTHING related to my Grandfather. I have the scan from Leon and will print a copy at work. What a great guy!, he was kind enough to talk with me for about a half hour and even post this thread to help me out. In closing I do hope he will eventually sell or trade that card to me someday. Im actually kind of proud that anyone even give a darn about my Grandfather's items!

I would love to get these items and display them for my family to see, we never got to meet the man and my father and all aunts and uncles are gone. Copies and photos are nice, but I am hoping to get the real things.
Thanks again!
Steve Sutthoff

[Leon]

Steve Sutthoff-

Please send me your address. I will send you the card for free. I hope you and your family will enjoy it. ..take care

[benchod]

Wow Leon
What a gracious gesture. Kudos to you! Hope good Karma comes your way.
BTW Happy Birthday!

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Leon

Steve Sutthoff-

Please send me your address. I will send you the card for free. I hope you and your family will enjoy it. ..take care

Wonderful gesture, Leon. Thanks for sharing.

[calvindog]

This forum really does have the power to move mountains. Thanks for posting, Steve!

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by Leon

I will send you the card for free. I hope you and your family will enjoy it. ..take care

Leon,

That is an incredibly nice gesture!

Did I mention that I am a distant relative of Honus Wagner? I will send you my mailing address!

[Doug]

I'm not related to any baseball players that I know of so I will be happy to accept cash donations for my baseball card budget instead. In all seriousness, that was a very classy gesture that reflects what the hobby should be all about.

[Sutthoff Grandson]

I don't even know what to say... THANK YOU!!! does not even come close to what is racing through my mind. I spent the last 15 minutes trying to settle down. I am slowly coming back to earth as I write this. I will make this up to you somehow, I promise you that....

Thank you from the bottom of my heart

Steve Sutthoff

[chaddurbin]

congrats steve on finally adding another piece to the puzzle...persistence pays off!

edit: pm leon back your address...don't post it here on a public board where everybody can see.

[Wite3]

Just awesome...a reverse birthday gift!

[martyogelvie]

Good move Leon!

may the KARMA flow!

[Rich Klein]

Since you are distant relative of the great Honus, I will find a 1976 Topps All-Time Great to send you --

Rich

[slidekellyslide]

Leon, remember that baseball bat I gave up to a family member? Karma paid me back x10.

[Cat]

Karma...

Carl Spackler: "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.

[Zach Wheat]

Nice gesture Leon. This is one fo the things I love about this hobby...

Zach

[iggyman]

Thanks for the contest Leon! My guess is $867.53.

Lovely Day...

[Leon]

It was a slam dunk and Steve Sutthoff won. Card was mailed yesterday.....It really is going to where it should be....

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by Leon

Card was mailed yesterday.....It really is gonig to where it should be....

Thanks man, I'll keep an eye out for it.

[Rob D.]

Wonderful gesture, Leon.

[iggyman]

You are a good man Leon! Proud of you buddy......thanks for the life lesson.

Lovely Day...


“The superior man acts before he speaks, and afterwards speaks according to his action.”

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bicem

Thanks man, I'll keep an eye out for it.

sure Jeff....just bid on the Horner Cabinets coming up and all will be good

Rob- I truly wasn't looking for a pat on the back, but thanks. When we are on our deathbed and look back at our lives, it won't be about material things, it will be about what we did. I will admit I hated seeing the card go but knowing where it is going made it all worth it many times over. Random acts of kindness are always a good thing. best regards

[Matthew H]

...Still waiting for the gestures coming from the owners of other Suttoff items posted... No? ok.

[rhettyeakley]

Great, now I feel like crap b/c I can't afford to give away the Sutthoff pin I posted above. I blame you Leon!

[Sutthoff Grandson]

Jack Sutthoff has arrived at his new home!
The card arrived late last week and is currently resting in our china cabinet, in the front of course, where everyone can see it. Thanks again Leon, may your kindness return tenfold.

[Sutthoff Grandson]

One more thing if I may, while I very much appreciate the support of other members on here I don't want anyone to feel obligated to give up or even offer to sell anything in their collection. After all, it is a collection and any item in it is there for a reason and I respect that.

[ChiefBenderForever]

That is really cool, it must be very humbling to look at the card and think 'that's my grandfather' ! I have pictures of my grandfather working out in the wheat field and it is very surreal to look at and think about how different times were and how much things have changed and yet stayed the same. Very nice of Leon to give you a connection to your past.

[Leon]

Steve- That makes it all worth it. Glad he arrived safely. I am always a little concerned about very scarce heirlooms getting lost. Thanks for the update. best regards

[Peter_Spaeth]

If the way to enlightenment is to cast off our material goods, Leon you have made a nice start but you still have a ways to go.

[Doug]

I recently saw an interview on youtube with both of Mickey Mantle's living sons and they said that they don't own a 1952 Topps Mantle. If I give them mine maybe I will win the lottery?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If the way to enlightenment is to cast off our material goods, Leon you have made a nice start but you still have a ways to go.

Good thing I am not going for enlightenment. I prefer to be the mushroom .