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Old 04-07-2022, 05:53 PM
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Default GM Cards, Even Some Of The Best Get It Wrong.

Here's a story I had on a recent GM cards eBay purchase.
I picked up a '52 Berk Ross Schoendienst for my collection under the notion of being NM. I could see what I thought was just a print dot and a slight oc to the card. But otherwise it looked great. Fast forward 4 days and the card arrives.
What I thought was a print dot is in hand very clearly a Pin hole. I paid a psa/sgc 7-8 price for this card. So I was Annoyed to say the very least.
I contacted GM and was given a 50% refund (I opted to keep the card). Probably still paid too much as I expect this is now a 2.5 possibly 3 at best.
I did not catch the exit hole on the back while looking at the eBay scans unfortunately.

PS: If you have a true NM copy and don't mind a downgrade I would be willing to trade+$



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Old 04-07-2022, 06:48 PM
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I had a similar experience with a 53 Bowman Color Dale Mitchell. It's a difficult card to find centered and during the Super Bowl, I placed the winning bid at a price that was well below what they'd go for. When I received the card it looked beautiful until I was putting it in a plastic sheet; the light caught a fairly significant indentation at the bottom left of the card. I contacted GM and asked for a credit of $10.00 towards the next purchase which was granted. However, on my next purchase, the discount wasn't applied, I'll try again, and hopefully, I'll receive it.

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Old 04-07-2022, 07:18 PM
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we have a raw Schoendienst in EX (no pinhole, I promise!) and a PSA 8 in our auction that starts Wednesday. Tons of high grade Berk Ross.
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I don’t think a pinhole can get higher than a 2.
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Old 04-07-2022, 08:36 PM
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I don’t think a pinhole can get higher than a 2.
Yea Now that I think about it this is probably true. I had a very nice looking '61 mantle with a pin hole and a very small wrinkle that was a 1.5. it was perfectly centered as well. Had the eye appeal of a 5 or 6.

Definitely got burned on this one..
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I don’t think a pinhole can get higher than a 2.
Agreed; used to be an automatic PSA 1 Poor, but in recent years they have started giving 2 GOOD to cards with a pinhole with overall nice eye appeal.

Why not return it as Item Not As Described and get all your money back? It's not NR-MINT.
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Agreed; used to be an automatic PSA 1 Poor, but in recent years they have started giving 2 GOOD to cards with a pinhole with overall nice eye appeal.

Why not return it as Item Not As Described and get all your money back? It's not NR-MINT.


Decided on a 50% refund and keeping the card. It Has good eye appeal. And better color than most of the berk ross cards I’ve seen.
And simply because I was missing this card for my run.
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I don’t think a pinhole can get higher than a 2.
I don't think a pinhole can get higher than a '1'. But they always 'set the bar" as far as PSA 1 pricing though, because EVERYONE wants a '1' with a pinhole.
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I don't think a pinhole can get higher than a '1'. But they always 'set the bar" as far as PSA 1 pricing though, because EVERYONE wants a '1' with a pinhole.
SGC at least will go up to a 1.5 for 2 pinholes. I’ve seen multiple 2’s in both SGC and PSA with pinholes. Of course, that may be because they didn’t notice the pinholes…
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I don’t think a pinhole can get higher than a 2.
I sold it to a board member about 7-8 years ago but it was a T205 PSA 4 with 4 pinholes. One per corner and more obvious than the OP's card. Maybe someone still has it and can post pics
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we have a raw Schoendienst in EX (no pinhole, I promise!) and a PSA 8 in our auction that starts Wednesday. Tons of high grade Berk Ross.
Will definitely be checking it out!
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If you were annoyed you should have just done a return. To keep it and complain is your right though.
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Here's a story I had on a recent GM cards eBay purchase.
I picked up a '52 Berk Ross Schoendienst for my collection under the notion of being NM. I could see what I thought was just a print dot and a slight oc to the card. But otherwise it looked great. Fast forward 4 days and the card arrives.
What I thought was a print dot is in hand very clearly a Pin hole. I paid a psa/sgc 7-8 price for this card. So I was Annoyed to say the very least.
I contacted GM and was given a 50% refund (I opted to keep the card). Probably still paid too much as I expect this is now a 2.5 possibly 3 at best.
I did not catch the exit hole on the back while looking at the eBay scans unfortunately.

PS: If you have a true NM copy and don't mind a downgrade I would be willing to trade+$

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