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Lucas00 04-07-2022 05:53 PM

GM Cards, Even Some Of The Best Get It Wrong.
 
Here's a story I had on a recent GM cards eBay purchase.
I picked up a '52 Berk Ross Schoendienst for my collection under the notion of being NM. I could see what I thought was just a print dot and a slight oc to the card. But otherwise it looked great. Fast forward 4 days and the card arrives.
What I thought was a print dot is in hand very clearly a Pin hole. I paid a psa/sgc 7-8 price for this card. So I was Annoyed to say the very least.
I contacted GM and was given a 50% refund (I opted to keep the card). Probably still paid too much as I expect this is now a 2.5 possibly 3 at best.
I did not catch the exit hole on the back while looking at the eBay scans unfortunately.

PS: If you have a true NM copy and don't mind a downgrade I would be willing to trade+$



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Tere1071 04-07-2022 06:48 PM

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I had a similar experience with a 53 Bowman Color Dale Mitchell. It's a difficult card to find centered and during the Super Bowl, I placed the winning bid at a price that was well below what they'd go for. When I received the card it looked beautiful until I was putting it in a plastic sheet; the light caught a fairly significant indentation at the bottom left of the card. I contacted GM and asked for a credit of $10.00 towards the next purchase which was granted. However, on my next purchase, the discount wasn't applied, I'll try again, and hopefully, I'll receive it.

Phil aka Tere1071

Aquarian Sports Cards 04-07-2022 07:18 PM

we have a raw Schoendienst in EX (no pinhole, I promise!) and a PSA 8 in our auction that starts Wednesday. Tons of high grade Berk Ross.

G1911 04-07-2022 07:52 PM

I don’t think a pinhole can get higher than a 2.

Lucas00 04-07-2022 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards (Post 2212961)
we have a raw Schoendienst in EX (no pinhole, I promise!) and a PSA 8 in our auction that starts Wednesday. Tons of high grade Berk Ross.

Will definitely be checking it out!

Lucas00 04-07-2022 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2212976)
I don’t think a pinhole can get higher than a 2.

Yea Now that I think about it this is probably true. I had a very nice looking '61 mantle with a pin hole and a very small wrinkle that was a 1.5. it was perfectly centered as well. Had the eye appeal of a 5 or 6.

Definitely got burned on this one..

swarmee 04-07-2022 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2212976)
I don’t think a pinhole can get higher than a 2.

Agreed; used to be an automatic PSA 1 Poor, but in recent years they have started giving 2 GOOD to cards with a pinhole with overall nice eye appeal.

Why not return it as Item Not As Described and get all your money back? It's not NR-MINT.

Lucas00 04-07-2022 09:19 PM

GM Cards, Even Some Of The Best Get It Wrong.
 
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Originally Posted by swarmee (Post 2213002)
Agreed; used to be an automatic PSA 1 Poor, but in recent years they have started giving 2 GOOD to cards with a pinhole with overall nice eye appeal.

Why not return it as Item Not As Described and get all your money back? It's not NR-MINT.



Decided on a 50% refund and keeping the card. It Has good eye appeal. And better color than most of the berk ross cards I’ve seen.
And simply because I was missing this card for my run.

Chris-Counts 04-07-2022 10:09 PM

Staple holes seem common on 1952 Berk Ross cards. I read they were distributed by two popcorn companies (and perhaps other manufacturers?), so maybe they were stapled to a box or a bag. They apparently were a bootleg issue, and there was a court case that shut down their production.

I still think it's a great card, regardless of the grade.

Lucas00 04-08-2022 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Counts (Post 2213017)
Staple holes seem common on 1952 Berk Ross cards. I read they were distributed by two popcorn companies (and perhaps other manufacturers?), so maybe they were stapled to a box or a bag. They apparently were a bootleg issue, and there was a court case that shut down their production.

I still think it's a great card, regardless of the grade.

Chris,
It is absolutely still a beautiful card. Pin holes are my damage of choice. A card hanging from a kids wall is always my favorite thought.

Key man has a great article on them. Like most of his articles it is top tier.
Apparently they were in packs of gum as well, classic.

I did not know Berk Ross was the name of the actual photographer. And on top of that, Berk was believed to have been the official photographer for the 1948-1950 Bowman sets.

Article: http://keymancollectibles.com/photos...8%20and%201950.

swarmee 04-08-2022 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Counts (Post 2213017)
Staple holes seem common on 1952 Berk Ross cards. I read they were distributed by two popcorn companies (and perhaps other manufacturers?), so maybe they were stapled to a box or a bag.

Doesn't look like this was stapled, since there is only one hole and it looks like it has the outline indentation of a thumbtack.

parkplace33 04-08-2022 06:44 AM

It’s a tough job, but I have heard more complaints about GM this year than in past years. Are they overloaded with cards and forced to list quickly?

bobbyw8469 04-08-2022 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2212976)
I don’t think a pinhole can get higher than a 2.

I don't think a pinhole can get higher than a '1'. But they always 'set the bar" as far as PSA 1 pricing though, because EVERYONE wants a '1' with a pinhole.

Leon 04-08-2022 07:41 AM

If you were annoyed you should have just done a return. To keep it and complain is your right though.
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Originally Posted by Lucas00 (Post 2212929)
Here's a story I had on a recent GM cards eBay purchase.
I picked up a '52 Berk Ross Schoendienst for my collection under the notion of being NM. I could see what I thought was just a print dot and a slight oc to the card. But otherwise it looked great. Fast forward 4 days and the card arrives.
What I thought was a print dot is in hand very clearly a Pin hole. I paid a psa/sgc 7-8 price for this card. So I was Annoyed to say the very least.
I contacted GM and was given a 50% refund (I opted to keep the card). Probably still paid too much as I expect this is now a 2.5 possibly 3 at best.
I did not catch the exit hole on the back while looking at the eBay scans unfortunately.

PS: If you have a true NM copy and don't mind a downgrade I would be willing to trade+$

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G1911 04-08-2022 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbyw8469 (Post 2213093)
I don't think a pinhole can get higher than a '1'. But they always 'set the bar" as far as PSA 1 pricing though, because EVERYONE wants a '1' with a pinhole.

SGC at least will go up to a 1.5 for 2 pinholes. I’ve seen multiple 2’s in both SGC and PSA with pinholes. Of course, that may be because they didn’t notice the pinholes…

rjackson44 04-08-2022 08:51 AM

Boy these berk ross cards have jumped in value omg .

swarmee 04-08-2022 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2213113)
SGC at least will go up to a 1.5 for 2 pinholes. I’ve seen multiple 2’s in both SGC and PSA with pinholes. Of course, that may be because they didn’t notice the pinholes…

There were a couple of PSA graded Topps Clemente or Mays cards listed a year back that were 7s with a pinhole in them. Never heard if PSA recalled them to fix or not.

T205 GB 04-08-2022 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by G1911 (Post 2212976)
I don’t think a pinhole can get higher than a 2.

I sold it to a board member about 7-8 years ago but it was a T205 PSA 4 with 4 pinholes. One per corner and more obvious than the OP's card. Maybe someone still has it and can post pics

GasHouseGang 04-08-2022 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rjackson44 (Post 2213127)
Boy these berk ross cards have jumped in value omg .

The Berk Ross cards were sneered at for so long that I just can't believe the new price levels. I've had the same reaction to the current prices for all of the strip cards.


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