Scarcity ratio of PIEDMONT 350 and EPDG BACKS FOR ELITE 11

[mike c]

This is my first post and items may have discussed before. The elite 11 T206 cards come with both PIEDMONT 350 and EPDG backs. It appears from my limited evaluation of EBAY listing that PIEDMONT 350 backs sell for considerably more money than EPDG backs. From just the PSA population report some items are much rarer with PIEDMONT 350 backs like Mullin ( 4 PIEDMONT 13 EPDG) and Spencer (1 PIEDMONT 9 EPDG) . However some cards are the nearly the same rarity level and in the case of Ganley ( 7 PIEDMONT 5 EPDG) it is scarer with the EPDG back yet the Piedmont 350 appears to sell for more. I realize this is a small sample size. Has anyone done a detail evaluation of the relative scarcity of these back from grading services population reports, auctions, EBAY etc?
I am also curious why Al Shaw was not included in the elite 11 group.

[Jantz]

Some collectors consider Al Shaw as part of the Elite group.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by mike c

This is my first post and items may have discussed before. The elite 11 T206 cards come with both PIEDMONT 350 and EPDG backs. It appears from my limited evaluation of EBAY listing that PIEDMONT 350 backs sell for considerably more money than EPDG backs. From just the PSA population report some items are much rarer with PIEDMONT 350 backs like Mullin ( 4 PIEDMONT 13 EPDG) and Spencer (1 PIEDMONT 9 EPDG) . However some cards are the nearly the same rarity level and in the case of Ganley ( 7 PIEDMONT 5 EPDG) it is scarer with the EPDG back yet the Piedmont 350 appears to sell for more. I realize this is a small sample size. Has anyone done a detail evaluation of the relative scarcity of these back from grading services population reports, auctions, EBAY etc?
I am also curious why Al Shaw was not included in the elite 11 group.

Mike

I've studied these 11 guys since 2007: Joe Doyle NAT'L and it's 11 "cousins"....SURVEY...... http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=87180

And, very recently: Regional source of the Elite 11 cards...... Post #198 in http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...237816&page=20

My surveys regarding the "Elite Eleven" indicate that there are no precise comparisons with their PIEDMONT 350 (P350) backs vs. their EPDG backs. Some subjects are found
with more P350 than EPDG; and, others with more EPDG than P350. For example: I have had 3 - Lundgren's with P350 backs, and only 1 with an EPDG back.
While I have had only one P350 of Lindaman, and 4 - EPDG cards of him.








Note
The Schulte card has not yet been found with an EPDG back. Currently, I do not consider Schulte as an Elite 11 subject. When (and if) this card is found with an EPDG back,
then I will officially include him in this group.


TED Z
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[Tao_Moko]

I have completed back runs for three of the eleven and would have two complete for one player were it not for a second epdg. Personal observations(not relying on flawed pop reports) is that the epdg's are generally more scarce, but to what extent is tough to know with such a small number of each to factor in. Interesting side note - the Sov backs for these guys that have them are not in abundance either.

[dougscats]

Are the elite 11 EPDG's rarer than other EPDG's?

If not, are the elite 11 EPDG's valued the same as other EPDG's,
or do they carry more value simply because they are Elite 11's?

[tedzan]

Hi Doug

The Lundgren sells for more than a typical EPDG card, simply because Lundgren is a tough card to begin with.

The other subjects in the Elite 11 group will vary in cost depending if the seller is aware of their "scarcity", or just considers them as a common T206.


TED Z
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[Thromdog]

They do typically sell for a premium over other EPDGs but the scarcity question versus other EPDGs is questionable. I personally think the Piedmont 350's are much tougher to find and their pricing reflects it.

However, the EPDG versions definitely get a premium.

I think the scarcity of elite 11 EPDGs might be answered better from this thread below. Logically if the EPDGs were printed before the Piedmont 350's then there would be a somewhat consistent amount of elite 11 EPDGs as other 150/350 or 350 only cards that are available with EPDG backs.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=231030

[tedzan]

We have established (circa 2007) that the initial EPDG press runs were simultaneous with the initial press runs of the PIEDMONT 350 backs of the 150/350 series cards.

And, NOT prior to the initial PIEDMONT 350 press runs of the 150/350 series cards.

I could elaborate more on this, but I have to run out for now.


TED Z
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[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by dougscats

Are the elite 11 EPDG's rarer than other EPDG's?

If not, are the elite 11 EPDG's valued the same as other EPDG's,
or do they carry more value simply because they are Elite 11's?

Some are. Lundgren and Ganley for certain. I don't believe sold prices are a good reference as they are sometimes overlooked. Ted has published a good bit on this topic. You can search through the threads.

[frankbmd]

with the havana back this example is clearly one of the elite once.