T206 Freaks Beware

[T206Collector]

If he can make one with a reprint, imagine how deadly he'd be with the real thing...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206...p2047675.l2557

[obcmac]

Looks better than the Walsh...or at least the scan of the Walsh ;-)

[sesop]

I have to say- I had a thought about something like this being possible with the overprints of certain caramel cards (what's stopping someone from getting an Old Put or Toy Town stamp), as well as some of the ghost imagery we've seen on many T206 cards. Is any mechanism in place to ensure stamps (and ghost prints, etc) are genuine? I've seen cards with crazy printing freaks slabbed Authentic in the past- suppose someone buys a raw, REAL card, prints/stamps something less than authentic on it (ie- American Beauty logo, Toy Town, etc), and submits it for slabbing- the card, technically, is Authentic. Will it come back graded? Authentic? Not slabbed at all? Supposing a "fake" stamp on a real card ends up in an Auth slab- how can future buyers know it's not "real?"

I've always wanted an overprint caramel card but I have to say- this sort of thing makes me very nervous.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by sesop

I have to say- I had a thought about something like this being possible with the overprints of certain caramel cards (what's stopping someone from getting an Old Put or Toy Town stamp), as well as some of the ghost imagery we've seen on many T206 cards. Is any mechanism in place to ensure stamps (and ghost prints, etc) are genuine? I've seen cards with crazy printing freaks slabbed Authentic in the past- suppose someone buys a raw, REAL card, prints/stamps something less than authentic on it (ie- American Beauty logo, Toy Town, etc), and submits it for slabbing- the card, technically, is Authentic. Will it come back graded? Authentic? Not slabbed at all? Supposing a "fake" stamp on a real card ends up in an Auth slab- how can future buyers know it's not "real?"

I've always wanted an overprint caramel card but I have to say- this sort of thing makes me very nervous.

There have been a few tries at faking the overprints but so far I don't think they have gotten by the TPGs, except for one fake E94 overprint which was quickly revealed (and now resides in my collection as I wanted it off the market). We do know most of the currently known types of overprints have been around since before they had any real value, so they aren't a newly made-up phenomenon. Knowledge is key...And most of these particular examples have 25+ yr provenance ....

[T206Collector]

Yeah, but it's really easy to replicate those stamps. Heck, I did this on my computer with MS Paint in about 4 minutes. Imagine what I could do with better software, or a strong ink stamp!

[Jaybird]

Both of the fake ones posted look really fake to me. I realize that they were quick attempts and not really intended to fool but even those that try really hard have a hard road ahead. We, as a collecting community, look at these cards really closely, more so even than people with counterfeit money. We scan them, share them and look at them over and over.

If I put a loop up to either one of those posted, once they are printed out, I'm going to see a dot pattern. And if you make a stamp, you will notice that each stamp that you create is slightly different than what you intended, letter spacing slightly off, line separation, etc. So, I don't think it would be as easy as it seems.

Our community also has a vested interest in protecting the integrity of our cards, just as the Treasury Department has an interest in protecting the value of currency. We ought to be very protective.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Yeah, but it's really easy to replicate those stamps. Heck, I did this on my computer with MS Paint in about 4 minutes. Imagine what I could do with better software, or a strong ink stamp!

Hell of a nice job Paul! Now you need to photo copy his signature, so you have a rare overprint signed Cobb T206!

Originally Posted by obcmac

Looks better than the Walsh...or at least the scan of the Walsh ;-)

There are no scans of Walsh. I took those with my phone after it was slabbed

[atx840]

I chased this card for a year based on a back scan posted (front scan image link was broken) on another forum. User deleted all posts and left no details..after a lot of searching and three owners later I got in contact with the original owner of the card.

Coincidently he had earlier tried to sell me and other Net54ers a T206 Ames with a Cobb ghost on the back that looked suspicious. It was discussed on Net54 and determined to likely be a faked error. After a few calls the trail to the card ended. I was able to get a front scan from him and that he sold it to a collector for $2,500ish.

I'm still not 100% convinced its legit but it looks very real.

[Paul S]

Ghost Young, Orange Cobb, Cobb red port pulled from a pack:

[mrvster]