Is this seriously what card graders are doing now...

[HOF Auto Rookies]

I know this has nothing to do with vintage cards, but it can definitely happen with pre-war. Are these card graders just dumb as heck! Seriously, how do you certify a facsimile as an authentic autograph!?!? This is just getting ridiculous:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=260979657014

I wonder if anyone has ever come across this for a '55 Topps or any other year with a facsimile. Hell, or even a T205, might as well send in my Hoblitzel and Myers to JSA, they may slab it.

[jp1216]

I hope it is just hand signed on the back and not pictured..... If not - wow..

[HOF Auto Rookies]

no kidding that's what i was thinking as well lol. that's just scary. unless some idiot got it signed in pencil haha

[camlov2]

From what I read online the autographs are real, are you saying that isn't the case? I don't collect modern cards so I don't know either way.

[HOF Auto Rookies]

Originally Posted by camlov2

From what I read online the autographs are real, are you saying that isn't the case? I don't collect modern cards so I don't know either way.

Hey Brian, what do you mean? Like this wasnt produced with the player signing these, this set at least. It's a fascimile for this set. I don't see another signature

[camlov2]

I don't know about this set in particular but I guess bowman chrome includes cards with real and printed signatures. The sellers pictures don't really help.

Here is a post I found talking about the difference-

http://prospectforprofit.com/?p=921

So blue ink is a true signature and black is printed?

printed example

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Bowman-...item19ceb7d4df

real example

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Joba-Chamber...item2c63ccede4

[Jay Wolt]

Here's another Freeman that's also slabbed by Beckett but doesn't list that its signed.
Are they the same?

[steve B]

A good checklist is here, Freeman isn't in the autograph set.

http://www.sportscardradio.com/index...raft-checklist

So unless it's on the back that's a big mistake.

Steve B

[fkw]

I know we are talking about 2 different authenticators/companies...
but this one really made me laugh OUT loud!!!

PSA/DNA slabbed authenticated Ty Cobb laser printed fake.....

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/


read all about Spence's so called "experience" farther down the blog under "Pillars of Integrity"

"Before James Spence became an authenticator he worked as a fitness instructor at Club Med and for Cunard Cruise Lines, as a salesman for American Van Equipment and as a ladder salesman..."

he may have more experience selling Ladders

[HOF Auto Rookies]

The bgs pic is a facsimile. Freeman does not have an autographed version for the set. Emailed seller and he said "its on the right right,.and that's why it say jsa.". Haha what a joke

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by HOF Auto Rookies

The bgs pic is a facsimile. Freeman does not have an autographed version for the set. Emailed seller and he said "its on the right right,.and that's why it say jsa.". Haha what a joke

The scan is awful but it looks like there might be a smeared signature in blue ink running vertically along the right side of the card. It almost blends right into the outfield wall.

Maybe a clumsy in person signature, I don't know.

[canjond]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

The scan is awful but it looks like there might be a smeared signature in blue ink running vertically along the right side of the card. It almost blends right into the outfield wall.

Maybe a clumsy in person signature, I don't know.

I agree - runs from the bottom right of the card up the side. I think it was actually signed and the scan is just bad.

[Bilko G]

Yeah this card is DEFINITELY signed In Person on the right hand side going up vertically, its tricky to see if ur not looking for it.


No conspiracy here, move on

[lharri3600]

an authentic fascimile maybe???

[Bilko G]

Originally Posted by lharri3600

an authentic fascimile maybe???

no there is an authentic auto there, its on the right hand side in blue ink, just tough to see

[thetruthisoutthere]

Here it is:

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[HOF Auto Rookies]

wow, don't think that's worth $30 or so to get it certified when you can hardly see the auto lol