Question about York Caramels vs. the F50 Ice Cream Sets

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Posted By: Dave

What makes the York Caramel set (particularly Type II) a 100% known 1927 issue and not 1928? Is there a specific player that is the determining factor?

I compared all the F50 issues and noticed the absence of Shawkey in the sets (which would confirm the 1928 designation since he retired in '27). Shawkey does appear in the York Caramels Type I issue.

So my question is whether anyone knows for certain that York Caramels Type II were a 1927 issue, and if so... what is the explanation?

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Posted By: Scot

I consider myself an expert on E210 York Caramel (both types) as I've saw/owned more than anybody around. I bought my very first E210 Type-2 collection in around 1980. They came from a PA. man that had bought them new. I asked, How they were distributed and what year he bought them. He said, they were sold in wax paper with a card inside. He then pin pointed the year as he went in the Army in December of 1927 and had collected all the cards prior. He also said the York Caramel candy was very popular at that time and sold out regularly. I suspect, the baseball card promotion was a great success and out sold the projected intial printings.

Facts I can add:
1. type-2 York's are at least 10 times harder to obtain than the type-1 cards. This seems to correspond to a short last printing.

2. I can confirm up to 5 different printings in E210. All variations are short printed as well and still being found this year. Also corresponds to short multiple printings.

3. The following 1928 Ice Cream issues look like a copy of York's and are much more common than the E210 type-2 cards. Again corresponds to a short last printing of the type-2 York's.

As you can see I have done my homework and I have no doubt the E210 type-2 are in fact a late 1927 issue.

I would also like to add that all 1920's caramel/ice cream sets are very tough to complete but, the E210-2 are among the toughest... I guarantee it.

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Posted By: Dave

Is why this board is so great...

Thanks Mr Hoss. I actually own an SGC 50 Harrington's Gehrig and have been trying to get as much info on these type cards as I can. They all seem to be relatively scarce... especially the E210 II's like you said.

They are fairly under appreciated in the hobby... and they have quite a few of the '27 Yankees, which should be their biggest draw.

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Posted By: cmoking

What about Sweetman's? Those seem almost impossible to find.

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Posted By: Dave

Yeah looks like Sweetman is a very tough issue too.

From what I've seen I would rank the F50's in this order, easiest to hardest. I also included how many Gehrigs were graded by SGC...

1) Yuenglings - 9
2) Harringtons - 5
3) Tharps - 3
4) Sweetman - 1

And to further Mr. Hoss's point.... SGC has yet to grade an E210 II Gehrig. I've seen a couple of them by PSA but I can't access their pop reports. Anyone know how many PSA has graded?

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Posted By: Scot York

F50 Sweetman is one of the toughest as well. The York Caramel type-2 set is the only set yet to be completed though.