The Baseball Card HOF inagural class is.........

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Posted By: John(z28jd)

1869 Peck & Snyder Cincinnati Reds
T206 Honus Wagner
E92 Christy Mathewson
1934 Goudey Lou Gehrig #37

Thanks to everyone who participated in the voting on here or thru email.Im hoping to get a page up soon with scans of each of the winners,and a brief story on each..Anyone wanna help with this let me know and i'll try and figure out the best way to go about this

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Posted By: Paul

Not a single one of mine won, but it's hard to disagree with any of these choices.

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Posted By: Jay Miller

John---Make sure when you post a picture of the Peck & Snyder you use the trade card and not the less popular CdV. The trade card has all the player's names on the front.

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Posted By: z28jd

Thanks Jay,will do....If anyone has a scan of this card or the e92 Mathewson they could send me please do.

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Posted By: Andy Baran

I still prefer the Peck & Snyder CDV. It feels more like a baseball card to me than the trade card does.

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Posted By: jeff s

we know you're only saying that because that's the one you've got

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Posted By: Andy Baran

Jeff,

Maybe it's the one I've got because it's the one I prefer

Anyway, I think that both the CDV & Trade Card should be represented. I'd be glad to supply the scan of the CDV.

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Posted By: jeff s

but i seem to recall that your purchase was a function of availability (with a little bit of "not selling for six figures), not preference.

which hardly matters, since you've got one hell of a card either way, of which I am very jealous...

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Posted By: Andy Baran

I said MAYBE

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Posted By: leon

I think they are both nice......regards all

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Posted By: Jay Miller

John---I'll send you a scan of the real Cinc. P & S.As a generalization which I believe is true, all cards which come with both the player's names on the front and the player's names on the back are more popular (and more valuable) with the names on the front. In Barry Sloate's great VCBC article on Peck and Snyder cards he pictured the trade card, not the CdV. Nice try Andy .
However, needless to say they are both nice cards.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

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That was the only one of mine that won, though I like to think I came close with my '33 Goudey Ruth #181. (Actually, Ruth doesn't look anything like Gehrig, but...)

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Posted By: Andy Baran

I believe that Barry used the scan of the Trade Card, because that was what he had. The other Peck & Snyder team cards were also Trade Cards, so he may have tried to be consistent. He has offered to purchase my CDV from me in the past, so I know that he is not opposed to them. Also, the Standard Catalog used a photo of the CDV for years, not the Trade Card. They also list the CDV as more valuable, not that I necessarily believe it is true. I do believe that the CDV is more rare than the Trade Card, and most of the Trade Cards are trimmed. I take an untrimmed card over a trimmed one any day.

I think that the value of a Peck & Snyder, regardless of which type it is, is determined mainly by condition.

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Posted By: Andy Baran

Both the Trade Card and the CDV are essentially variations on the same card, and obviously closely related. Neither is the "Real" Peck & Snyder Card. Why not have both images represented, as in this post? Sounds fair to me.

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Posted By: Jay Miller

Auction realization on undamaged cards of both type show that the trade card is the more valuable card and it isn't even close. The trade card is also part of a "set" which, to my way of thinking, makes it more desireable. The trade card is very fragile so undamaged specimens are rare. I am not saying that the CdV is not marketable and would not be purchased by a dealer. Barry would buy a dead horse for a dollar if he could sell it for two. All I am saying is that the trade card is the preferable piece. If you doubt what I am saying---ask Barry.

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Posted By: runscott

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Posted By: Andy Baran

Jay,

I think that we have just about exhausted this subject, but I will make one last post.

FACTS:
1.) Both the CDV and Trade Card were produced by Peck & Snyder in 1869
2.) Many of the CDV's (mine included) are also trade cards, they just happen to have the player names on the back with the advertising
3.) Leon purchased his Trade Card (easily one of the nicest in the hobby) from a major auction house. I recently had a DEALER offer me several thousand more for my CDV than he paid for his Trade Card in auction.
4.) So few Peck & Snyders are sold (at widely varying prices) that it is not easy to make generalizations regarding their prices
5.) Many factors effect the price of these cards (condition, clarity of photo, who is looking for one at the time of the sale, supply, who is selling, etc.)
6.) Not all Trade Cards have sold for more than CDV's
7.) Both cards are "REAL"

OPINION:
Based on the facts, it is MY OPINION that the CDV is no less (or more) legitimate, important, or valuable than the Trade Card.

You are also welcome to YOUR OPINION, but please do not state it as FACT. Thanks.

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Posted By: Jay Miller

Andy--what I was stating was both my opinion and one conveyed to me by Barry Sloate. I would suggest that you call Barry, or Lew Lipset for that matter, and get their view directly. I'm sure that they will verify that the trade card is generally believed to be more desireable than the CdV. However, I do agree that we have taken this discussion farther than it needs to go. They are both great cards; I think we can both agree on that.

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Posted By: Jay Miller

and by the way---GO YANKEES!

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Posted By: Andy Baran

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Posted By: jay behrens

bump to remind people what cards got voted in first time around.

Jay