Authenticated eBay Cards Through PSA

[Tere1071]

The 68 Ryan that I recently received through eBay went through the certification process. It looked nice having appeared in a PSA box and plastic holder with a seal on the back. Does all of this really mean anything other than it it isn't a fake or reprint?

Happy collecting!

Phil aka Tere1071

[CardPadre]

It means you got what you paid for, "guaranteed".

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Tere1071

The 68 Ryan that I recently received through eBay went through the certification process. It looked nice having appeared in a PSA box and plastic holder with a seal on the back. Does all of this really mean anything other than it it isn't a fake or reprint?

Happy collecting!

Phil aka Tere1071

Was it raw or slabbed?

If it was slabbed, then they just confirmed that the slab hasn’t been tampered with.

If it was raw, then they are confirming that it’s real and the disclosed condition pretty much matches the actual condition.

[Beercan collector]

I would be interested how It worked out for anyone who bought a raw card that went through the guarantee

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

I would be interested how It worked out for anyone who bought a raw card that went through the guarantee

Went fine…goes fine. Not sure what much would be likely to go wrong.

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

Went fine…goes fine. Not sure what much would be likely to go wrong.

Thanks that’s kind of what I was wondering , also if the program had any issues with a sellers “grade” or description , authenticity etc.
Only slightly curious if The raw cards came in that big folder that graded cards fit nicely into

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Thanks that’s kind of what I was wondering , also if the program had any issues with a sellers “grade” or description , authenticity etc.
Only slightly curious if The raw cards came in that big folder that graded cards fit nicely into

They do supposedly cross check the description and condition. And does come in the same type packaging as a graded card.

[Beercan collector]

Wow nice Mexican Walter Payton

[Tere1071]

Here are three photos. It's definitely authentic, but in "filler" condition.

Phil aka Tere1071

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

I would be interested how It worked out for anyone who bought a raw card that went through the guarantee

I’ve had a couple of raw cards that went through the AG process. In both cases, PSA identified flaws that weren’t included in the listing. PSA then emailed me, and I think sent me messages through the eBay app to send me pictures that highlighted the flaws. They then gave me the option of proceeding with the purchase, or canceling it.

In both cases, I still wanted the card for the price I paid, so I told PSA to proceed with sending me the card.

Not sure whether PSA ever said anything to the seller, or if they were oblivious to the whole process until it was over.

I’ve heard from others around here that sometimes PSA will just cancel the sale when they find undisclosed flaws, rather than giving the buyer the option to continue with the purchase anyway. So your experience may not always be the same as mine if similar issues are encountered.

[Gorditadogg]

Phil, congrats on finishing your set.

I doubt Ebay's wrapper adds any value to your Ryan rookie. If you want to unwrap it and put it in your binder, I don't think you will have any regrets.

My cards are mostly in cards savers stacked in shoeboxes, so I still have my authenticated cards in Ebay's packaging. I repurpose the holders when I sell a card.

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[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by raulus

I’ve had a couple of raw cards that went through the AG process. In both cases, PSA identified flaws that weren’t included in the listing. PSA then emailed me, and I think sent me messages through the eBay app to send me pictures that highlighted the flaws. They then gave me the option of proceeding with the purchase, or canceling it.

In both cases, I still wanted the card for the price I paid, so I told PSA to proceed with sending me the card.

Not sure whether PSA ever said anything to the seller, or if they were oblivious to the whole process until it was over.

I’ve heard from others around here that sometimes PSA will just cancel the sale when they find undisclosed flaws, rather than giving the buyer the option to continue with the purchase anyway. So your experience may not always be the same as mine if similar issues are encountered.

That sounds like a pretty good experience - Hopefully they’ll operate at that level on a consistent basis

[campyfan39]

I think it's irritating. I have been collecting for 40+ years I know when something is real or not. And to buy something graded and it takes forever to go through their "authenticator" is a drag, IMO.

I only had one issue other than the extra charge and the delayed time to get it. That was when I was selling an ungraded card.

I gave the guy a heck of a deal, and we negotiated through eBay's messaging. It was on "hold" for several days, and neither knew what was going on. Then eBay sent me an "urgent message," saying there was some discoloration on the back that I did not disclose in the listing. They were going to talk to the buyer.

The buyer said "I know the condition because he put the max number of pics on the listing. Send it to me."
I looked at all of my pics of the card again and there was no discoloration.

They then released it to him, but it still took 3-5 business days for my funds (that were on hold) to get to my account.

I think the buyer and seller should have the option to send it through or not. IMO its just another money maker for ebay and PSA.

The whole ordeal was useless as I had the label that it was a PSA4 when I got it years ago and cracked it out. It also took more than 3 weeks to get paid.

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

I think it's irritating. I have been collecting for 40+ years I know when something is real or not. And to buy something graded and it takes forever to go through their "authenticator" is a drag, IMO.

You must have been a little oblivious as to how rampant fraud and scamming was becoming on eBay during the boom. Fake cards, fake slabs, sellers not shipping the correct card. Any possible way someone could try and pull one over…they were trying. It really is a necessary inconvenience.

[campyfan39]

I still think it should be up to the buyer.
And i am not "oblivious" to anything in the area I collect, as I have been active for most of my life.

Originally Posted by CardPadre

You must have been a little oblivious as to how rampant fraud and scamming was becoming on eBay during the boom. Fake cards, fake slabs, sellers not shipping the correct card. Any possible way someone could try and pull one over…they were trying. It really is a necessary inconvenience.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

I think it's irritating. I have been collecting for 40+ years I know when something is real or not. And to buy something graded and it takes forever to go through their "authenticator" is a drag, IMO.

I only had one issue other than the extra charge and the delayed time to get it. That was when I was selling an ungraded card.

I gave the guy a heck of a deal, and we negotiated through eBay's messaging. It was on "hold" for several days, and neither knew what was going on. Then eBay sent me an "urgent message," saying there was some discoloration on the back that I did not disclose in the listing. They were going to talk to the buyer.

The buyer said "I know the condition because he put the max number of pics on the listing. Send it to me."
I looked at all of my pics of the card again and there was no discoloration.

They then released it to him, but it still took 3-5 business days for my funds (that were on hold) to get to my account.

I think the buyer and seller should have the option to send it through or not. IMO its just another money maker for ebay and PSA.

The whole ordeal was useless as I had the label that it was a PSA4 when I got it years ago and cracked it out. It also took more than 3 weeks to get paid.

What extra charge are you referring to? I didn't think there was a separate charge for the authentication, but I haven't bought any cards in a while that went through it.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

I still think it should be up to the buyer.
And i am not "oblivious" to anything in the area I collect, as I have been active for most of my life.

So are you saying as a buyer you would be fine with giving up any right to protest with Ebay? Let's say the card you got didn't match the picture. The picture showed an authentic Campanella card that you paid the seller $3000 for, but the seller sent you a reprint. You would accept that loss and wouldn't expect Ebay to help you make it good?

I just can't see how anybody that has as much experience as you do would put yourself out there like that, just to get your card a couple days sooner.

[campyfan39]

That's a fair point. I am just too trusting I guess. The cards I buy are not anywhere close to 3k, and I check feedback, etc., but I see where you are coming from.
Before this authentication process, didn't you have recourse with eBay by filing for a return saying it didn't match the listing?
Chris

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

So are you saying as a buyer you would be fine with giving up any right to protest with Ebay? Let's say the card you got didn't match the picture. The picture showed an authentic Campanella card that you paid the seller $3000 for, but the seller sent you a reprint. You would accept that loss and wouldn't expect Ebay to help you make it good?

I just can't see how anybody that has as much experience as you do would put yourself out there like that, just to get your card a couple days sooner.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

That's a fair point. I am just too trusting I guess. The cards I buy are not anywhere close to 3k, and I check feedback, etc., but I see where you are coming from.
Before this authentication process, didn't you have recourse with eBay by filing for a return saying it didn't match the listing?
Chris

Sure, those buyer's resolution procedures are still in place for cards under $250, card lots or sets, and a bunch of other categories.

And yes, I have felt that pain, I used Ebay's buyer's resolution in the past a lot. I bought many cards from sellers that were advertised as near mint but showed up with creases. I've gotten trimmed cards, cards that didn't match the pictures (seller said they were "stock photos") and a fake Ozzie Smith rookie. I once got a "near mint" set (lots of pictures in the listing) where the seller pulled out several of the stars and replaced them with fillers. When I confronted him, he told me that I must have done it.

In all those cases I eventually got a refund. Ebay almost always sides with the buyer. Which is why I never sold expensive cards on Ebay before their authentication program. I heard about buyers claiming they got empty boxes, or that they never received the package even when USPS showed it delivered. I never wanted to be on the seller's side in the buyers resolution process.

For me, the new procedures are great both as a buyer and a seller. The things I buy and sell on Ebay are mainstream, mostly 50s and 60s cards, and so far every transaction has gone smoothly.

[Jenx34]

Originally Posted by jayshum

What extra charge are you referring to? I didn't think there was a separate charge for the authentication, but I haven't bought any cards in a while that went through it.

There isn't any extra fee.

Extra mail time is the only real drawback.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Jenx34

There isn't any extra fee.

Extra mail time is the only real drawback.

That's what I thought, but the post I responded to said something about an extra fee so I was curious what he was referring to.

[frankhardy]

Am I correct in thinking that once a card passes the authentication process and is delivered to the buyer that there is no refund unless the seller agrees? In other words I am of the thinking that once it passes authentication that the seller has a guaranteed sale. Am I right on that?

[raulus]

Originally Posted by frankhardy

Am I correct in thinking that once a card passes the authentication process and is delivered to the buyer that there is no refund unless the seller agrees? In other words I am of the thinking that once it passes authentication that the seller has a guaranteed sale. Am I right on that?

Pretty much. That’s the beauty from the seller’s perspective.