Raw Cards B/S/T?

[jingram058]

How about a new section of the B/S/T for only raw cards?

[midmo]

Why would you limit yourself? If you hate the holders just crack them open. Not that hard.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by midmo

Why would you limit yourself? If you hate the holders just crack them open. Not that hard.

Because 99 and 9/10% of cards for sale in the B/S/T are graded. That's not my thing. I'm not looking to get rich off of baseball cards. I just like the cards irrespective of condition or grade. Graded cards cost a lot more. I can't afford them. Nobody is going to pay to grade an entire lot of beaters. Seems that since there are so many graded cards here that it would be only natural to have a spot for folks to sell and buy cards that aren't graded.

[parkplace33]

I second this and think it would be a great idea.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Personally I don't see the need for it. I see raw cards for sale on here all the time, and for those who collect both graded and raw, all this would do is create another section to have to check on.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Because 99 and 9/10% of cards for sale in the B/S/T are graded. That's not my thing. I'm not looking to get rich off of baseball cards. I just like the cards irrespective of condition or grade. Graded cards cost a lot more. I can't afford them. Nobody is going to pay to grade an entire lot of beaters. Seems that since there are so many graded cards here that it would be only natural to have a spot for folks to sell and buy cards that aren't graded.

Try the $1 weekly auction section in the BST area. Buy some cards and/or list some. Everyone is welcome.

[midmo]

That's just not true. Tons of beaters get graded. I buy 1-4 all the time and pop em open to put in my binder sets. Most people I know buy both. No need for more sections.

Originally Posted by jingram058

Because 99 and 9/10% of cards for sale in the B/S/T are graded. That's not my thing. I'm not looking to get rich off of baseball cards. I just like the cards irrespective of condition or grade. Graded cards cost a lot more. I can't afford them. Nobody is going to pay to grade an entire lot of beaters. Seems that since there are so many graded cards here that it would be only natural to have a spot for folks to sell and buy cards that aren't graded.

[campyfan39]

I agree. I also prefer the term "pure"

[perezfan]

I like the idea...

Even if a lower-grade card is slabbed, it's probably overpriced (largely because of the grading cost). I like "EX" condition vintage raw cards, but rarely see them offered. So a separate section for raw would be cool!

[Snowman]

I buy raw and graded. I don't care about the slabs, I care about the cards inside them. I just crack them out if I prefer them raw. And raw cards are not cheaper for the stuff I buy. Every raw dealer over grades their stuff in comparison to today's TPG standards. You can't compare someone's raw "NM-MT" price to a PSA 8 price because that card is never getting into a PSA 8 slab. It's usually a 6 at best.

[Tere1071]

Originally Posted by midmo

That's just not true. Tons of beaters get graded. I buy 1-4 all the time and pop em open to put in my binder sets. Most people I know buy both. No need for more sections.

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Hey, since when is a VG/EX card a beater?

Phil aka Tere1071

Complete 1953 Bowman Color, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, and 1975 Topps Baseball sets under revision as the budget and wife allows

Under construction:
1967 Topps Baseball - 330/533: Overall p-g, missing all of the bigger name stars and many commons, no high numbers or posters

1968 Topps Baseball - 420/598: Overall good, missing all of the bigger name stars and many commons from 1-375; no game cards

1969 Topps Baseball - 328-664: Overall good, missing all of the stars and many cards after #217; no deckle edged cards
1969 Topps Baseball Team Stamps- missing Twins; Cubs; Cardinals; Braves; Tigers; Orioles; Mets; Giants; Pirates; Red Sox; Pilots; and Reds. I need the following individual stamp that appear together on the same block: Siebert; Pasual; Bailey; McBean, plus Hannan

1970 Topps Baseball Insert sets:
Booklets- missing 7; 9; 11; 13; 14; 15; 17; and 23.
Posters # 1; 8; 14; 17; and 19
I do not have any 1970 scratch offs yet.

1971 Topps Coins- 120/153
I do not have any 1971 scratch offs yet.

1974 Topps Baseball Washington variations- 32; 53; 77; 102; 125; 226; 241; 309; 364; and 599

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Personally I don't see the need for it. I see raw cards for sale on here all the time, and for those who collect both graded and raw, all this would do is create another section to have to check on.

I have to agree, even though I have zero interest in cards that have been opinionated, I just whip out the old handy dandy butter knife and... voila!

There are plenty of sections, even though there are many good arguments for adding more.

[Luke]

Raw cards are welcome in any of the sections. I'd say at least half of us don't care if a card is graded or not. But it's easier to have 1 place for T206s rather than 2 different ones.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Tere1071

Hey, since when is a VG/EX card a beater?

Since at least my most recent submission, at least according to PSA.

Note, there are no creases or other hidden surface flaws on any of these cards. And they all have clean backs.

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[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Since at least my most recent submission, at least according to PSA.

Note, there are no creases or other hidden surface flaws on any of these cards. And they all have clean backs.

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Nice looking cards!

[Louisville_Hugger]

I certainly wouldn’t be opposed to it. I also prefer ungraded at least for commons and mid-lower tier hall of famers.

[Leon]

Unless there is an overwhelming response to change something, I prefer to let things be. I think if a member wants to put "raw" or "ungraded" in the subject title it will probably suffice. I prrefer less sections, than more, generally speaking.
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and my pump of the day...(not for sale or trade)

[icurnmedic]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I buy raw and graded. And raw cards are not cheaper for the stuff I buy. Every raw dealer over grades their stuff in comparison to today's TPG standards. You can't compare someone's raw "NM-MT" price to a PSA 8 price because that card is never getting into a PSA 8 slab. It's usually a 6 at best.

Can't say it any better than this!

I buy both, prefer slabbed as usually there is little argument on technical grades.

I don't see a need for another section, $.02

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Leon

Unless there is an overwhelming response to change something, I prefer to let things be. I think if a member wants to put "raw" or "ungraded" in the subject title it will probably suffice. I prrefer less sections, than more, generally speaking.
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and my pump of the day...(not for sale or trade)

10-4 sir. There is certainly not an overwhelming response.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Leon

Unless there is an overwhelming response to change something, I prefer to let things be. I think if a member wants to put "raw" or "ungraded" in the subject title it will probably suffice. I prrefer less sections, than more, generally speaking.
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and my pump of the day...(not for sale or trade)

Leon, you're doing it wrong! You're not supposed to put "not for sale or trade" in your post! LOL

[campyfan39]

As someone who wants to buy raw cards only it is frustrating to look at the 50's B/S/T and see 90% easily are graded.

[yanksfan09]

Don't see any need to overly complicate things. Many times sellers list a bunch of cards where some are graded and some are not from the same sets. Would be pointless and pain to have to split so many listings between multiple categories for people searching for the same cards.

[JustinD]

Seems like going to the grocery and demanding that my cheese is not in a package, then leaving for home if it is.

A card is a card, Don’t like it…just open it up.

[sb1]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

As someone who wants to buy raw cards only it is frustrating to look at the 50's B/S/T and see 90% easily are graded.

What are you looking for? I have boxes and boxes of 1950's raw cards, HOFers and commons.

[CardPadre]

A raw card section would be great. Doesn't need to be broken down into sub-categories, would probably need to be all sports, non-sports and all years (up to whatever the "vintage" cut off year is deemed to be). These cards could also continue to be posted in the general BST section that applies, but just a nice place to browse an only raw selection for people who really enjoy that. And to anyone not liking the idea, "if you don't like it, don't look at it"....easy.

[campyfan39]

Respectfully thats a bad analogy and kinda snarky. I haven't "demanded" anything and certainly haven't said I would leave the forum.

Those of us who prefer ungraded cards would rather not pay the premium price for some random persons subjective opinion of what number should be assigned to the card. I only buy something graded when I feel the price is in line with what I would pay for it ungraded. Then I crack it out.
Thanks,
Chris

Originally Posted by JustinD

Seems like going to the grocery and demanding that my cheese is not in a package, then leaving for home if it is.

A card is a card, Don’t like it…just open it up.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

As someone who wants to buy raw cards only it is frustrating to look at the 50's B/S/T and see 90% easily are graded.

The majority of the items in the $1 auction section do not come with extra packaging. I am sure there is at least one 50s HOFer listed now.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by campyfan39

Respectfully thats a bad analogy and kinda snarky. I haven't "demanded" anything and certainly haven't said I would leave the forum.

Those of us who prefer ungraded cards would rather not pay the premium price for some random persons subjective opinion of what number should be assigned to the card. I only buy something graded when I feel the price is in line with what I would pay for it ungraded. Then I crack it out.
Thanks,
Chris

I apologize if it was read as snarky, it was not meant to be. Nor did I quote you and direct that comment. Not entirely sure how you saw it as a response to you.

In honesty in my experience it is more cost friendly to buy lower or mid graded cards than raw. The majority of raw cards I see sell for more than a similar graded counterpart due to gamblers thinking they are getter a higher grade card cheaper. This is why so many threads over the years have been complaining about case crackers selling good looking 5-6 cards, or trimmed out of the case because the buyers think they are getting an 8-9.

In most cases I can buy a graded 3-4 for less than an ungraded one. The number on non rare cards brings the price down.

This experience is why I have a hard time understanding the original premise of the thread. My personal experience has proven at auction (not BIN) I will get a much better price when getting slabbed on low grade.

[campyfan39]

I understand your point now. The gamblers on nice raw cards do make a difference. I had refreshed the thread that had died so thats why I took it as a response to me. My bad.
Happy collecting!

Originally Posted by JustinD

I apologize if it was read as snarky, it was not meant to be. Nor did I quote you and direct that comment. Not entirely sure how you saw it as a response to you.

In honesty in my experience it is more cost friendly to buy lower or mid graded cards than raw. The majority of raw cards I see sell for more than a similar graded counterpart due to gamblers thinking they are getter a higher grade card cheaper. This is why so many threads over the years have been complaining about case crackers selling good looking 5-6 cards, or trimmed out of the case because the buyers think they are getting an 8-9.

In most cases I can buy a graded 3-4 for less than an ungraded one. The number on non rare cards brings the price down.

This experience is why I have a hard time understanding the original premise of the thread. My personal experience has proven at auction (not BIN) I will get a much better price when getting slabbed on low grade.