E mathewson vs Cracker Jack mathewson

[MR RAREBACK]

How can the 1914 Cracker Jack be worth so much more?
I see a lot of value in the horizontal pose, anyone else agree
Which card is undervalued/more upside

[cgjackson222]

One of the poll choices is "Horizontal Mathewson". Is that like the E102?

Also, is this poll to determine which one people like more, or which one they think is more valuable?

[MR RAREBACK]

Your right I should of said which one is undervalued, or has more upside .
Hopefully will get a bunch of nice photos in the thread

[Centauri]

Isn't the T205 Cycle Matty just a Cycle T205 - as in, all of them have the same backs?

[Casey2296]

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Also a difference between 1914CJ horizontal Matty and 1915CJ Matty portrait.

Love the CJ and the Horizontal E-card both along with the E98.
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[Peter_Spaeth]

You need to redo the poll to be meaningful, as pointed out world of difference between the two CJs. Which one are you asking about?

That pic may explain why I can never seem to buy an E Mathewson.

[Rhotchkiss]

There is a huge difference between Matty's 1914 and 1915 Cracker Jacks (although I think both are more valuable than the other options).

Its not even a question that the 1914 CJ is a ton more valuable than any of the options. The 1914 CJ is a top 10+/- prewar card (as far being iconic) and an authentic sells for $30k+, with a 3+ easily selling for six figures. Thus, I assume you mean the 1915 CJ, which I think is more valuable than the other options

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by MR RAREBACK

How can the 1914 Cracker Jack be worth so much more?
I see a lot of value in the horizontal pose, anyone else agree
Which card is undervalued/more upside

There's a reason there isn't a photo of 23 1914 CJ Mathewsons.

[DeanH3]

I've been looking to add an e92, e101 or e102 Matty. Having said that I'd rank them.

'14 Cracker Jack - Iconic card from iconic set
E98 - Overall tougher to locate than E92 family. BSF did not add to the pop explosion like other subjects.
E92 family - To me, the best looking of the three.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

I've been looking to add an e92, e101 or e102 Matty. Having said that I'd rank them.

'14 Cracker Jack - Iconic card from iconic set
E98 - Overall tougher to locate than E92 family. BSF did not add to the pop explosion like other subjects.
E92 family - To me, the best looking of the three.

LOL I was on like a 10 year quest myself. Lost out, or the card was too out of register, every single time.

[MR RAREBACK]

If you add up the population on all the e92 and crofts candy e101 e102 e105 e106 d303 and t216 its not as many as you would think

[mrreality68]

I think the 1914 CJ more upside (even the prices already risen a lot past several years)

It is Iconic, it is considered a top pre-war card, it has relatively low population (I know others have low counts also but not iconic)

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by MR RAREBACK

If you add up the population on all the e92 and crofts candy e101 e102 e105 e106 d303 and t216 its not as many as you would think

Ha! That's because you have them all.
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I was fortunate to pick this one up on BST, thank you Andrew. It is one of my favorite cards and probably my favorite Matty image.
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[MR RAREBACK]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

I think the 1914 CJ more upside (even the prices already risen a lot past several years)

It is Iconic, it is considered a top pre-war card, it has relatively low population (I know others have low counts also but not iconic)

But could the e92 mathewson card ever become iconic

[refz]

I voted for the horizontal E series Matty. Close second I like the E93. They are all great regardless

[conor912]

CJ all day, every day, and twice on Sunday.

[Yoda]

No wonder you believe the Matty horizontal (no red lips, please) has a lot of value. You control the market

[ullmandds]

I’m partial to the e93 at the moment as this is my nicest Matty currently. I have always liked the e98 pose but have never owned one. The horizontal has never appealed to me for some reason. cracker jacks are next level, especially the horizontal.

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

14 CJ Matty all day

I owned this one. (anyone here own it now?)

[Danny Smith]

How many Matty mello mints do you have?

[MR RAREBACK]

None wish I had one

[x2drich2000]

As others have mentioned, there is a big difference between the 1914 and 1915 Cracker Jack. Likewise, there is also a big difference between all the different versions of the E-horizontal Mathewson. There are quite a few versions that are way more difficult than the 1914 Cracker Jack. Those varities I think may have more of an upside, at least as a percentage. If someone is just looking for the front though, they can easily pick from the E92 Dockman/E101/E102/E106. Those I don't see appreciating as much.

Aesthetically, I never cared for the 1914 Cracker Jack so it is really far down my list of cards I'd want and I wouldn't pay anywhere near what they sell for even if I could afford it. IMO, it is really not that rare and it is overvalued now. I would much more prefer the 1915 or E-horizontal or E93 or E90-1 or E103 or ...

[rats60]

Originally Posted by MR RAREBACK

How can the 1914 Cracker Jack be worth so much more?
I see a lot of value in the horizontal pose, anyone else agree
Which card is undervalued/more upside

Why is the 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle worth more than his 1951 Bowman rookie card? Or his other second year cards like the 1952 Bowman?

The 1914 Cracker Jack set is one of the most iconic sets in the hobby. The Mathewson is one of the key cards in the set. The demand far outweighs the supply. His card is going to keep rising.

The other E cards or the t205 cycle are much lower demand. They will continue to grow at a slower pace. Value from a scarcity point just doesn't happen in this hobby. Baseball card prices are demand driven. That is the 1914 CJ Matty.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by x2drich2000

As others have mentioned, there is a big difference between the 1914 and 1915 Cracker Jack. Likewise, there is also a big difference between all the different versions of the E-horizontal Mathewson. There are quite a few versions that are way more difficult than the 1914 Cracker Jack. Those varities I think may have more of an upside, at least as a percentage. If someone is just looking for the front though, they can easily pick from the E92 Dockman/E101/E102/E106. Those I don't see appreciating as much.

Aesthetically, I never cared for the 1914 Cracker Jack so it is really far down my list of cards I'd want and I wouldn't pay anywhere near what they sell for even if I could afford it. IMO, it is really not that rare and it is overvalued now. I would much more prefer the 1915 or E-horizontal or E93 or E90-1 or E103 or ...

I prefer the aesthetics of the horizontal E101, E102, etc Mathewson over the 1914 Cracker Jack. But it is hard to argue that the '14 Cracker Jack is not a rare card. PSA has graded 28 and SGC has graded 27.

PSA has graded 42 Mathewson Dockman & Sons E92s, 13 Mathewson E92 Crofts Candy, 5 Mathewson Crofts Cocoa E92s, 1 Mathewson Nadja Caramel E92, 30 Mathewson E101s, 51 Mathewson E102s, 4 Mathewson E105s, 6 Mathewson T216s, 1 Mathewson D303 Mother's Bread, 16 Mathewson E106s.

So that's a total of (at least) 167 horizontal E/D Mathewsons graded by PSA alone.

[CobbSpikedMe]

I'm an E98 guy so I'm partial to that one. Then I really like the E horizontal pose a lot as well. My order of most desired would be this same order; the E98, then the E horizontal pose, then the CJ.



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[brianp-beme]

I believe this is an instance where a Net54 user ID should logically be changed to:

"MrToughforOtherstoComebyMattyFronts"

I am usually not much help when assessing value/undervalued status, but here roughly is my aesthetic ranking of Matty E-cards, based on memory..
I may have forgotten an issue or two...does Matty have a E300 Plows Candy card? If so, it would probably rank near the top):

E-hoeizontal issues (E92, E101, E102, E105...but not E106, which I believe is the set that has the excessive coloration issues mentioned previously).

E107 ( kinda in its own time frame category)

E103

E93

E-Unc Orange Borders

1915 Cracker Jacks

E95 (not much mention about this one)

E98

E95

1914 Cracker Jacks

E90-1

E91A

E91B

E-unc All-Star cards? (I had to put something below my belovingly maligned E91 cards)

Brian (and excuse me if I have misinterpreted how fetching your favorite Matty is in my ranking)