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MR RAREBACK 08-17-2023 12:51 PM

E mathewson vs Cracker Jack mathewson
 
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How can the 1914 Cracker Jack be worth so much more?
I see a lot of value in the horizontal pose, anyone else agree
Which card is undervalued/more upside

cgjackson222 08-17-2023 12:57 PM

One of the poll choices is "Horizontal Mathewson". Is that like the E102?

Also, is this poll to determine which one people like more, or which one they think is more valuable?

MR RAREBACK 08-17-2023 01:01 PM

Your right I should of said which one is undervalued, or has more upside .
Hopefully will get a bunch of nice photos in the thread

Centauri 08-17-2023 01:01 PM

Isn't the T205 Cycle Matty just a Cycle T205 - as in, all of them have the same backs?

Casey2296 08-17-2023 01:05 PM

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Also a difference between 1914CJ horizontal Matty and 1915CJ Matty portrait.

Love the CJ and the Horizontal E-card both along with the E98.
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Peter_Spaeth 08-17-2023 01:19 PM

You need to redo the poll to be meaningful, as pointed out world of difference between the two CJs. Which one are you asking about?

That pic may explain why I can never seem to buy an E Mathewson.

Rhotchkiss 08-17-2023 01:23 PM

There is a huge difference between Matty's 1914 and 1915 Cracker Jacks (although I think both are more valuable than the other options).

Its not even a question that the 1914 CJ is a ton more valuable than any of the options. The 1914 CJ is a top 10+/- prewar card (as far being iconic) and an authentic sells for $30k+, with a 3+ easily selling for six figures. Thus, I assume you mean the 1915 CJ, which I think is more valuable than the other options

darwinbulldog 08-17-2023 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MR RAREBACK (Post 2365282)
How can the 1914 Cracker Jack be worth so much more?
I see a lot of value in the horizontal pose, anyone else agree
Which card is undervalued/more upside

There's a reason there isn't a photo of 23 1914 CJ Mathewsons.

DeanH3 08-17-2023 03:04 PM

I've been looking to add an e92, e101 or e102 Matty. Having said that I'd rank them.

'14 Cracker Jack - Iconic card from iconic set
E98 - Overall tougher to locate than E92 family. BSF did not add to the pop explosion like other subjects.
E92 family - To me, the best looking of the three.

Peter_Spaeth 08-17-2023 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DeanH3 (Post 2365327)
I've been looking to add an e92, e101 or e102 Matty. Having said that I'd rank them.

'14 Cracker Jack - Iconic card from iconic set
E98 - Overall tougher to locate than E92 family. BSF did not add to the pop explosion like other subjects.
E92 family - To me, the best looking of the three.

LOL I was on like a 10 year quest myself. Lost out, or the card was too out of register, every single time.

MR RAREBACK 08-17-2023 03:21 PM

If you add up the population on all the e92 and crofts candy e101 e102 e105 e106 d303 and t216 its not as many as you would think

mrreality68 08-17-2023 03:24 PM

I think the 1914 CJ more upside (even the prices already risen a lot past several years)

It is Iconic, it is considered a top pre-war card, it has relatively low population (I know others have low counts also but not iconic)

Casey2296 08-17-2023 03:53 PM

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If you add up the population on all the e92 and crofts candy e101 e102 e105 e106 d303 and t216 its not as many as you would think

Ha! That's because you have them all.
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I was fortunate to pick this one up on BST, thank you Andrew. It is one of my favorite cards and probably my favorite Matty image.
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MR RAREBACK 08-17-2023 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mrreality68 (Post 2365336)
I think the 1914 CJ more upside (even the prices already risen a lot past several years)

It is Iconic, it is considered a top pre-war card, it has relatively low population (I know others have low counts also but not iconic)

But could the e92 mathewson card ever become iconic :)

refz 08-17-2023 04:21 PM

I voted for the horizontal E series Matty. Close second I like the E93. They are all great regardless

conor912 08-17-2023 05:53 PM

CJ all day, every day, and twice on Sunday.

Yoda 08-17-2023 06:32 PM

No wonder you believe the Matty horizontal (no red lips, please) has a lot of value. You control the market

ullmandds 08-17-2023 06:41 PM

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I’m partial to the e93 at the moment as this is my nicest Matty currently. I have always liked the e98 pose but have never owned one. The horizontal has never appealed to me for some reason. cracker jacks are next level, especially the horizontal.

ajjohnsonsoxfan 08-17-2023 07:20 PM

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14 CJ Matty all day

I owned this one. (anyone here own it now?)

Danny Smith 08-17-2023 07:53 PM

How many Matty mello mints do you have?

MR RAREBACK 08-17-2023 07:59 PM

None wish I had one

x2drich2000 08-18-2023 02:47 AM

As others have mentioned, there is a big difference between the 1914 and 1915 Cracker Jack. Likewise, there is also a big difference between all the different versions of the E-horizontal Mathewson. There are quite a few versions that are way more difficult than the 1914 Cracker Jack. Those varities I think may have more of an upside, at least as a percentage. If someone is just looking for the front though, they can easily pick from the E92 Dockman/E101/E102/E106. Those I don't see appreciating as much.

Aesthetically, I never cared for the 1914 Cracker Jack so it is really far down my list of cards I'd want and I wouldn't pay anywhere near what they sell for even if I could afford it. IMO, it is really not that rare and it is overvalued now. I would much more prefer the 1915 or E-horizontal or E93 or E90-1 or E103 or ...

rats60 08-18-2023 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MR RAREBACK (Post 2365282)
How can the 1914 Cracker Jack be worth so much more?
I see a lot of value in the horizontal pose, anyone else agree
Which card is undervalued/more upside

Why is the 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle worth more than his 1951 Bowman rookie card? Or his other second year cards like the 1952 Bowman?

The 1914 Cracker Jack set is one of the most iconic sets in the hobby. The Mathewson is one of the key cards in the set. The demand far outweighs the supply. His card is going to keep rising.

The other E cards or the t205 cycle are much lower demand. They will continue to grow at a slower pace. Value from a scarcity point just doesn't happen in this hobby. Baseball card prices are demand driven. That is the 1914 CJ Matty.

cgjackson222 08-18-2023 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by x2drich2000 (Post 2365450)
As others have mentioned, there is a big difference between the 1914 and 1915 Cracker Jack. Likewise, there is also a big difference between all the different versions of the E-horizontal Mathewson. There are quite a few versions that are way more difficult than the 1914 Cracker Jack. Those varities I think may have more of an upside, at least as a percentage. If someone is just looking for the front though, they can easily pick from the E92 Dockman/E101/E102/E106. Those I don't see appreciating as much.

Aesthetically, I never cared for the 1914 Cracker Jack so it is really far down my list of cards I'd want and I wouldn't pay anywhere near what they sell for even if I could afford it. IMO, it is really not that rare and it is overvalued now. I would much more prefer the 1915 or E-horizontal or E93 or E90-1 or E103 or ...


I prefer the aesthetics of the horizontal E101, E102, etc Mathewson over the 1914 Cracker Jack. But it is hard to argue that the '14 Cracker Jack is not a rare card. PSA has graded 28 and SGC has graded 27.

PSA has graded 42 Mathewson Dockman & Sons E92s, 13 Mathewson E92 Crofts Candy, 5 Mathewson Crofts Cocoa E92s, 1 Mathewson Nadja Caramel E92, 30 Mathewson E101s, 51 Mathewson E102s, 4 Mathewson E105s, 6 Mathewson T216s, 1 Mathewson D303 Mother's Bread, 16 Mathewson E106s.

So that's a total of (at least) 167 horizontal E/D Mathewsons graded by PSA alone.

CobbSpikedMe 08-19-2023 10:17 AM

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I'm an E98 guy so I'm partial to that one. Then I really like the E horizontal pose a lot as well. My order of most desired would be this same order; the E98, then the E horizontal pose, then the CJ.



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brianp-beme 08-22-2023 08:23 AM

I believe this is an instance where a Net54 user ID should logically be changed to:

"MrToughforOtherstoComebyMattyFronts"

I am usually not much help when assessing value/undervalued status, but here roughly is my aesthetic ranking of Matty E-cards, based on memory..
I may have forgotten an issue or two...does Matty have a E300 Plows Candy card? If so, it would probably rank near the top):

E-hoeizontal issues (E92, E101, E102, E105...but not E106, which I believe is the set that has the excessive coloration issues mentioned previously).

E107 ( kinda in its own time frame category)

E103

E93

E-Unc Orange Borders

1915 Cracker Jacks

E95 (not much mention about this one)

E98

E95

1914 Cracker Jacks

E90-1

E91A

E91B

E-unc All-Star cards? (I had to put something below my belovingly maligned E91 cards)

Brian (and excuse me if I have misinterpreted how fetching your favorite Matty is in my ranking)


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