Trivia: Career Power and Speed

[cgjackson222]

Name the 8 players with 500 HRs and 200 stolen bases in their career.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

without peeking I'd say Mays, Barry Bonds, Griffey Jr. for sure, And guess Aaron and Mantle

EDIT: Why did I think the question said 5 guys?
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[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

without peeking I'd say Mays, Barry Bonds, Griffey Jr. for sure, And guess Aaron and Mantle

EDIT: Damn missed by two, including one of my sure things
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Bonds has far and away the most with a total of 1,276 combined. He is the only on the list to amass more than 400 steals, with 514.

Mays had 999 total HRs and steals, including his 339 steals.

Aaron had 995 total HRs and steals, including his 240 steals.

Surprisingly, Griffey Jr. (184), and Mantle (153) did not make the cut.

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[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Bonds has far and away the most with a total of 1,276 combined. He is the only on the list to amass more than 400 steals, with 514.

Mays had 999 total HRs and steals, including his 339 steals.

Aaron had 995 total HRs and steals, including his 240 steals.

Surprisingly, Griffey Jr. (184), and Mantle (153) did not make the cut.

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Damn, Mantle I understand, because SB's were kind of forgotten about during his era (plus the knee issues), but why did I think Griffey Jr. was a gimme?

Reggie Jackson? He didn't steal many later in his career, but think he ran the bases a bit during his A's days.

[D. Bergin]

A-Rod for sure.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Damn, Mantle I understand, because SB's were kind of forgotten about during his era (plus the knee issues), but why did I think Griffey Jr. was a gimme?

Reggie Jackson? He didn't steal many later in his career, but think he ran the bases a bit during his A's days.

YES! Reggie stole 228 bases. He was the most surprising on the list to me.

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

A-Rod for sure.

Yes, ARod is the only is the only player besides Bonds to have 1,000 combined HRs and steals, as he stole 329 bases.

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[bk400]

I'm going with some of Hank Aaron's contemporaries:

Frank Robinson
Ernie Banks
Willie McCovey

No idea if they were fast, but I didn't think Hank Aaron was fast.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by bk400

I'm going with some of Hank Aaron's contemporaries:

Frank Robinson
Ernie Banks
Willie McCovey

No idea if they were fast, but I didn't think Hank Aaron was fast.

Well done! Frank Robinson just made the cut with 204 steals.

Banks (50) and Mccovey (26) were not base stealers.

[bk400]

Jose Canseco?

[D. Bergin]

Sammy Sosa?

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by bk400

Jose Canseco?

Good guess! Canseco had exactly 200 career steals, but was just shy with HRs at 462.

[jimmer77]

I would say either Mike Schmidt or Gary Sheffield

[Peter_Spaeth]

Reggie.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by jimmer77

I would say either Mike Schmidt or Gary Sheffield

Correct! Sheffield had 253 steals to go along with his 509 HRs.

Schmidt had a good amount of steals early in his career, but came up just short at 174.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Reggie.

Correct, as Dave guessed in the 4th post.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Dave guessed Sosa but you did not respond. Has to be him, been through the list mentally and unless I'm forgetting someone, none were base stealers.

[tiger8mush]

Pujols? McGriff? Kaline? Just throwing names out there in case Sosa is incorrect

Edited to add: looked it up ... Sosa is correct with 609/234. Pujols had enough HRs but only 117 SB, and my other two guesses weren't even in the ballpark.

[Gorditadogg]

OK, of the 28 players with 500 home runs, who had the LEAST stolen bases?

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[Gorditadogg]

Bonus question: Of active players with 300+ home runs, who has the most stolen bases?

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

OK, of the 28 players with 500 home runs, who had the LEAST stolen bases?

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Killebrew? Or Ortiz.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Bonus question: Of active players with 300+ home runs, who has the most stolen bases?

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I would think Trout?

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Sammy Sosa?

Dave, so sorry for the late response. I think we submitted a post at the same time, and I just missed yours.

Yes, Slammin' Sammy Sosa is the correct response, as he had 234 steals (but i guess everyone already figured that out).

Good job by all

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Killebrew? Or Ortiz.

Nope. Very good guesses, but this guy only had 12 SBs in his career. Killebrew had 19 and Ortiz had 17.

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[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I would think Trout?

Trout has 212, 7 short of the leader.

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[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Trout has 212, 7 short of the leader.

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Is Andrew McCutchen still active? He’s maybe been around long enough.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Is Andrew McCutchen still active? He’s maybe been around long enough.

Yes, he is. And with 219 stolen bases to go along with his 319 career homers.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Nope. Very good guesses, but this guy only had 12 SBs in his career. Killebrew had 19 and Ortiz had 17.

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It must be McGwire then, never saw him run. I didn't guess him at first thinking maybe as a youngster he had stolen a few.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Is Andrew McCutchen still active? He’s maybe been around long enough.

Ah good one, did not realize he had 300 HR.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It must be McGwire then, never saw him run. I didn't guess him at first thinking maybe as a youngster he had stolen a few.

Yes, McGwire had only 12 stolen bases. Thome had 19. Ted Williams had 24.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Yes, McGwire had only 12 stolen bases. Thome had 19. Ted Williams had 24.

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Interesting contrast to Canseco who was a big dude but could really run. Such a waste of talent, although I guess by the numbers you could say he had a pretty good career.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ah good one, did not realize he had 300 HR.

McCutchen has reached a lot of mini milestones: 2000 hits, 1000 RBI, 1000 Runs, 1000 walks, 300 HRs. He is a borderline HOFer for sure.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Interesting contrast to Canseco who was a big dude but could really run. Such a waste of talent, although I guess by the numbers you could say he had a pretty good career.

Was surprised to learn that during Canseco's 40/40 season in '88, he became only the 3rd MLB player to have a 40/20 season, the first 3 being Aaron (twice), Mays, and Yastrzemski.

Canseco is one of 4 players to have three or more 40/20 seasons.
The first player to do so was Barry Bonds, followed by Canseco, ARod (who did it 4x), and most recently Ohtani.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

McCutchen has reached a lot of mini milestones: 2000 hits, 1000 RBI, 1000 Runs, 1000 walks, 300 HRs. He is a borderline HOFer for sure.

49 WAR at age 38, I dunno.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

49 WAR at age 38, I dunno.

He has a chance to eke out 50 WAR. Add the MVP and other accolades, he is a borderline guy. May never get in. But who knows?

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

He has a chance to eke out 50 WAR. Add the MVP and other accolades, he is a borderline guy. May never get in. But who knows?

His first 7 seasons put him on a possible Hall of Fame path, but since 2016, he hasn't been anywhere close to the same player. He's borderline at best, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got less than 5% and fell off the ballot in his first year.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Better than Harold Baines...

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Better than Harold Baines...

Not exactly the highest bar to clear. Once you start playing the game of if x is in then y should be in, they'll need to double the size of the plaque gallery.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

I'd rather figure out a way to remove Baines.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I'd rather figure out a way to remove Baines.

I could be wrong, and I'm just speculating, but maybe Baines was good in that he opened the way for players who historically had been thought not good enough like Hodges, Oliva, Minoso, Allen, Parker.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

I'd rather figure out a way to remove Baines.

It's a nice thought but is never going to happen.

[Peter_Spaeth]

By the way, why does McCutchen's 2009 card have "RC" on it when he is in Topps and Topps Chrome 2005?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

By the way, why does McCutchen's 2009 card have "RC" on it when he is in Topps and Topps Chrome 2005?

The RC logo from MLB was started in 2006, and part of that was changing the rules so that minor leaguers could only be in minor league sets (like the current Heritage Minors line). Before that a RC on the card was just a thing Topps did itself (ignoring other manufacturers) and there was no 'official' sanctioning or requirement of an MLB game debut. Presumably McCutchen got caught up in this cutoff and change and this one isn't actually an oopsie.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

The RC logo from MLB was started in 2006, and part of that was changing the rules so that minor leaguers could only be in minor league sets (like the current Heritage Minors line). Before that a RC on the card was just a thing Topps did itself (ignoring other manufacturers) and there was no 'official' sanctioning or requirement of an MLB game debut. Presumably McCutchen got caught up in this cutoff and change and this one isn't actually an oopsie.

Got it thanks. It looks like similar things with Votto and Verlander, "RC" designations after they appeared in major league sets, in Votto's case many years before. Greinke too maybe? BTW McCuthchen's 2009 Topps may be the worst card ever made.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I could be wrong, and I'm just speculating, but maybe Baines was good in that he opened the way for players who historically had been thought not good enough like Hodges, Oliva, Minoso, Allen, Parker.

Only catch is I don't think they're HOF'ers either. Out of that group Allen is the only one I really like and I could live with it if he was the best non-HOF'er.

I have a soft spot for Hodges and if there was some kind of Contributor category that took a man's entire body of work into account I'd put him and Lefty O'Doul in in a heartbeat, but he comes up short for me as just a player. I know Torre got in as a manager and Baker will too, but they'd both be no-brainers in my Contributor category. I think it would seriously help guys like Pinella and Davey Johnson as well.

Having the Contributor category would also make me like guys like Schoendienst being in a lot more than I do. It might also open the doors to guys who weren't particularly close as players or managers yet their overall contribution to the game was massive. Thinking guys like Zimmer, Pesky and Johnny Sain in addition to the previously mentioned O'Doul.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Only catch is I don't think they're HOF'ers either. Out of that group Allen is the only one I really like and I could live with it if he was the best non-HOF'er.

I have a soft spot for Hodges and if there was some kind of Contributor category that took a man's entire body of work into account I'd put him and Lefty O'Doul in in a heartbeat, but he comes up short for me as just a player. I know Torre got in as a manager and Baker will too, but they'd both be no-brainers in my Contributor category. I think it would seriously help guys like Pinella and Davey Johnson as well.

Having the Contributor category would also make me like guys like Schoendienst being in a lot more than I do. It might also open the doors to guys who weren't particularly close as players or managers yet their overall contribution to the game was massive. Thinking guys like Zimmer, Pesky and Johnny Sain in addition to the previously mentioned O'Doul.

Like it or not the standards have changed and players you and I would have relegated to the hall of very good are now, in fact, good enough.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Like it or not the standards have changed and players you and I would have relegated to the hall of very good are now, in fact, good enough.

I don't know. I think a lot of times people get in who aren't good enough, for other reasons.

And people like Allen, who are clearly good enough, don't get in for other reasons.

Every voter has their own standards, and then every voter decides whether to follow those standards when they vote.

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