Gun ownership poll

[ullmandds]

There is no question this country has a gun problem. I'm just looking to sample this community out of curiosity.

[Casey2296]

Got rid of my guns when I had my first kid. Don't currently own one but I do support responsible gun ownership. I come from a hunting background perspective and was taught to respect guns and people which is completely different than thug street violence and unstable kids having access to assault weapons.

[Smanzari]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

There is no question this country has a gun problem. I'm just looking to sample this community out of curiosity.

Zero. (edited as there could have been a hint of politics previously and I did not know that was a rule until mentioned below)

[BobbyStrawberry]

I own zero guns. I hesitate to comment further due to the "don't talk politics" rule.

[G1911]

I own some guns.

Some of them are for fun sporting use.

Many of them are for historical interest + fun sporting use.

2 of them are for defensive use.

[vintagetoppsguy]

I currently own 5.

Three are Winchester Model 94s - my favorite gun of all time. It's a lever action repeating rifle that was first made nearly 130 years ago. The design hasn't changed much since then. One is a 30-30 and the other two are 44 magnums. One of the 44 magnums was my grandfather's that was passed down to me.

I own a Remington 870 Super Express 12 gauge shotgun.

I own a Glock 19 9MM (sometimes referred to as a "Baby Glock" because of it's smaller dimensions). It's small enough that it even fits in my front pocket and it's what a carry for personal protection. It's almost never more than an arm length's away.

[bnorth]

I own 6 and haven't shot any of them in many many years.

Beretta 32
Walther PPK 380
These are the same models James Bond used in the movies.

Ruger P89 9mm I have 30 round clips for this pistol and it used to be very fun to target shoot and hunt with.

Mossberg Ulti Mag shotgun 12 guage

Remington 30.06 bolt action rifle

Savage single shot 22 rifle. Got it from my great grandpa as a kid.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I own zero guns. I hesitate to comment further due to the "don't talk politics" rule.

thats what the water cooler section is 4!!!!

[Jim65]

I own a few guns. Nothing more to say.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

thats what the water cooler section is 4!!!!

Good to know, Pete. A little bit to add, then–

The vast majority of Americans, including me, support the right of an individual to own a gun. The second amendment isn't going anywhere, and no one is coming to take away anyone's guns anytime soon as long as they were legally obtained. That said, law enforcement, educators, and the public overall think that something, however small, should be done in order to try and make mass murders of schoolchildren less of a regular occurrence in our country. Sadly, I'm not optimistic that anything meaningful will happen at the federal level, as lawmakers (on both sides of the aisle) are far more concerned about losing their jobs than they are about preventing needless deaths.

I'm sure people have heard about what Gabe Kapler is doing (on which I have no comment), but the quotes from other managers in this article about Kapler are notable:

1) "I think he's exactly right to be concerned ... with what's happening in our country... He's right there." -Tony La Russa

2) "I think we're all frustrated, especially in this country ... Nobody's happy" -Chris Woodward

3) "I do believe that we need to figure something that's better for everybody's lives because what we have now is not working at all." -Dave Martinez

4) "I don't think any of us are happy with what's going on in our country. " -Dave Roberts

It seems the one thing most Americans do agree on these days is that our country is in bad shape and getting worse.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The aftermaths of these terrible tragedies have become even more predictable than the tragedies themselves.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

That said, law enforcement, educators, and the public overall think that something, however small, should be done in order to try and make mass murders of schoolchildren less of a regular occurrence in our country. Sadly, I'm not optimistic that anything meaningful will happen at the federal level, as lawmakers (on both sides of the aisle) are far more concerned about losing their jobs than they are about preventing needless deaths.

I am a history teacher and have to teach factors. Not being political here, but gun violence has multiple factors. Other than new gun restrictions, all the others cost money that most people don't want to pay. Cheaper college is a factor that could lead to more teachers who are people of color. It could lead to more mental health experts. It could lead to lower wealth inequality. I'm not advocating college debt forgiveness, but fixing college debt for younger generations would go a long way to solving some of our societal ills as youth see the barrier of cost to entering these fields reduced.

In Spokane, WA, we have too few mental health beds for those who need supervision. They end up in our hospital system and puts a burden on our health care system. Nurses become one-on-one baby sitters.

Another factor is social media. Every study has shown social media makes life worse for majority of citizens. In schools, social media has a toxic effect. There certainly has to be something that could be done better than Elon Musk asking for fewer free speech restrictions on Twitter's platform.

This topic is so complex. I wish lawmakers would come together to create a comprehensive bill that addresses multiple factors. But as stated above, our current political climate makes that impossible. January 6 riots caused a lot of damage that hasn't been fixed. And I have no answers about how to solve that.

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[The-Cardfather]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I own zero guns. I hesitate to comment further due to the "don't talk politics" rule.

Ditto. (And I "identify" as Republican / right wing.)

[G1911]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I own zero guns. I hesitate to comment further due to the "don't talk politics" rule.

Yes, I see your first comment.

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Many who cheer on the cadre of rich old men asserting their (and their supporters') ability to control women's bodies are the same ones who happily ignore the fact that AR-15s did not exist when the 2nd amendment was written (and of course that the rights in the constitution were only for white male property owners).

I'm sure a person reading the words can understand the disconnect between the two statements.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by G1911

Yes, I see your first comment.

Correction - my second comment. My mistake. In it I write–

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

The vast majority of Americans, including me, support the right of an individual to own a gun.

If you are seriously interested in discussion, throwing around "your side" is not really conducive to that, especially when the above is the only personal statement I have posited regarding second amendment rights.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Correction - my second comment. My mistake. In it I write–



If you are seriously interested in discussion, throwing around "your side" is not really conducive to that, especially when the above is the only personal statement I have posited regarding second amendment rights.

I think there are clearly two sides in the debate, those in favor of light to no regulation and those in favor of heavy regulation or total ban. Actually, I don't think that. That's a pretty undeniable reality.

I apologize if I miscategorized you. I made the contextual assumptive leap that your post had some bearing on the topic of the thread and the present debate in it. If your criticisms are only applicable to the Mississippi decision, I'm not sure why it is here. That really should be a separate thread, if you are saying your statement has nothing to do with the topic and I am wrong to think that it did.

[maniac_73]

I already have one expensive hobby collecting vintage, I can’t afford another


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[Cliff Bowman]

I have never owned a gun in my life and I felt very uncomfortable whenever I had a loaded one in my hands and shot it. I'm cool with banning AR-15's and similar guns from anyone under 25. As far as confiscating legally owned guns from law abiding legal adult owners, no way. Go confiscate the stolen and illegal hand guns in the possession of gang members, thugs, and felons on the south side of a certain city.

[todeen]

I own zero.

I was in Boy Scouts, had experience shooting shotguns and rifles. Been shooting with friends. Really enjoy shooting Ruger 10/22.

My father was an officer in the military, he never wanted a gun in the house. My mother's father committed suicide with a gun before I was born.

I thought about buying a Ruger 10/22 a few years ago but then I went thru some mental health issues. Probably shouldn't ever buy one now.

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[JustinD]

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[Carter08]

I own zero. Too lazy to learn how to use one properly so it would be dangerous to have in the house, especially with kids that find their way into everything.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by todeen

I thought about buying a Ruger 10/22 a few years ago but then I went thru some mental health issues. Probably shouldn't ever buy one now.

Originally Posted by Carter08

I own zero. Too lazy to learn how to use one properly so it would be dangerous to have in the house, especially with kids that find their way into everything.

I respect these two statements a lot and their admission why they don't own guns. You don't have to be a gun owner to practice responsible gun ownership. Sometimes responsible gun ownership is not owning one.

[JustinD]

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[steve B]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I respect these two statements a lot and their admission why they don't own guns. You don't have to be a gun owner to practice responsible gun ownership. Sometimes responsible gun ownership is not owning one.

That's where I am. I knew for years I was forgetful and disorganized. The add diagnosis was pretty much just confirmation.

That means I knew for sure I'd be the guy that left it in is pocket, or let it fall into the couch and shot himself in the backside. The easiest way to avoid that is to never own one, so... None owned.

I have friends who target shoot and have hunted, and I grew up in semi rural areas. So I'm comfortable with them as long as the people around me are responsible.

It's more than a little silly for someone living in a suburban area to tell someone living in a rural area they can't have a gun. We don't have much dangerous wildlife here in New England, but I've heard wild hogs, and mountain lions can be very iffy to be around. If I was hiking in areas where either were common, I'd want something, or to at least have a hiking partner who did.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I own zero. Too lazy to learn how to use one properly so it would be dangerous to have in the house, especially with kids that find their way into everything.

This was your first post. You came back a few pages later to do your weird "ok" and random-jab stalking you were doing after you got upset I called PWCC a fraud ring. Then you flipped around and this position that you don't own one because you are lazy and don't want to learn to use it safely (which is a reasonable and good decision), turned into proposing complete and total de facto bans on everyone else, nuclear weapons, and more. You seem to be shifting back to trying to sound reasonable again, but the sequence does not sound like this is entirely sincere at all.

Many people in here disagree with me; some with worse points than I think you have made. I believe them all to be sincere.

[nwobhm]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

There is no question this country has a gun problem. I'm just looking to sample this community out of curiosity.

Have to be in complete disagreement with this statement. What we are seeing is a symptom of a much larger problem. Lots of moving parts here and guns aren’t it.

1) Liberal takeover of the educational system
2) The internet
3) First person shooter video games
4) Unlimited availability to pornography
5) Food additives
6) Overall dietary changes from fats to carbs
7) Unknown medication conflicts
8) Contaminated water supplies
9) Hollywood



Possible Solution:

1) Equal balance of Liberal & Conservative thought in schools
2) Limit under 18 internet access
3) Eliminate underage access to first person shooter video games
4) Eliminate underage access to pornography
5) Purify the food supply
6) Balance underage diets
7) Limit medications for children have long track records
8) Purify the water supply
9) Eliminate underage access to violent and sexual media content


Prediction: In 1 generation most of the problems subside.

The less expensive way out of this is blaming guns. If we as a nation don’t want the Liberty then there is a mechanism to remove it. Otherwise it stays in place.

[irv]

Originally Posted by nwobhm

Have to be in complete disagreement with this statement. What we are seeing is a symptom of a much larger problem. Lots of moving parts here and guns aren’t it.

1) Liberal takeover of the educational system
2) The internet
3) First person shooter video games
4) Unlimited availability to pornography
5) Food additives
6) Overall dietary changes from fats to carbs
7) Unknown medication conflicts
8) Contaminated water supplies
9) Hollywood

Imagine being a naïve, easily manipulated, confused young kid nowadays, (let alone a fully grown adult), and being bombarded with critical race theory, gender reclassification, multiple genders, gender reassignment, white privilege, BLM, antifa, cancel culture, defund the police, covid, vaccines, mandates and passports, lockdowns, pregnant men, fake news, social media, global warming (and being told you only have 8 to 12 yrs to live), and still having to deal with all the normal problems and issues most teenagers face like hormone changes, trying to fit in, girls/boys, school, your future, and a whole myriad of other things.

It's not hard, but hard for some it seems, to see which party is pushing all this B.S., but yet they will defend come hell or highwater everything they are doing without giving any thought whatsoever to what it is doing to our world today.

[jbhofmann]

As a nearly 20 yr teacher I’ll chime in on just the educational front.

1. A school I taught at for 8 years was compromised by an ex student who shot out a side door. Luckily the school and law enforcement received information that this was about to happen from his mother. Police were on the scene immediately and entered behind him.

2. The school had locked internal doors that the shooter tried but couldn’t enter classrooms. The camera system allowed the principal to keep LEO updated in real time where the shooter was.

3. His gun choice imo was a huge factor in only him dying. A bolt action rifle. The idea that high capacity magazines aren’t a problem in these events seems to ignore school massacre evidence. Each time this happens law enforcement talks about how they were out armed. This particular time they weren’t and the shooter took his life knowing he was cornered in a stairwell.


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[clydepepper]

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

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That side by side pic of Ortiz is awesome.

[irv]

How old are you?

Just because you don't find this topic, in the off topic section, important, interesting nor wish to engage in conversation about it doesn't mean that others don't.

Would you like it if someone did the same to one of your threads or posted random, off topic pics in one of your BST posts for example?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by irv

How old are you?

Just because you don't find this topic, in the off topic section, important, interesting nor wish to engage in conversation about it doesn't mean that others don't.

Would you like it if someone did the same to one of your threads or posted random, off topic pics in one of your BST posts for example?

+1...and it's against the rules that few have read. They have been posted since day 1....

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by irv

How old are you?

Just because you don't find this topic, in the off topic section, important, interesting nor wish to engage in conversation about it doesn't mean that others don't.

Would you like it if someone did the same to one of your threads or posted random, off topic pics in one of your BST posts for example?

Just my opinion but subjects like this have no real conversations going on. You have people posting their very biased opinions. No one is going to change that opinion so threads like this turn into name calling because we all believe we are correct and others are idiots on the subject.

Personally I enjoy reading them as humor and the silly/funny pictures add to that enjoyment. I am 53 if that matters.

[SAllen2556]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Just my opinion but subjects like this have no real conversations going on. You have people posting their very biased opinions. No one is going to change that opinion so threads like this turn into name calling because we all believe we are correct and others are idiots on the subject.

Personally I enjoy reading them as humor and the silly/funny pictures add to that enjoyment. I am 53 if that matters.

I don't know about this. I'm a gun owner and I'm actually starting to change my mind on parts of the debate. For example, would it be terrible to have to be 21 to buy a gun?

I think that when you have to write your opinion, as opposed to shouting it on tv, it's more likely to influence others' opinions - at least those who know how to read and are willing to read opposing views. I actually enjoy these threads once in a while.

[Gradedcardman]

One rifle and 3 handguns. Target shooting for sure and safety at home second.

[desi.furball]

I'm the proud owner of two machine guns NFA weapons I'm at 10 and an AK-47 just something to think about sometimes when somebody comes to the house I don't know who you are or what you are but you're a real idiot we're proud American people we like baseball cards the American pastime don't know who you are what you are but it doesn't sound like anybody I want to know or want to be involved with you have a blessed day you and yours

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[desi.furball]

I collect post war baseball cards and machine guns

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by desi.furball

I collect post war baseball cards and machine guns

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Awesome, post some pictures.

[G1911]

Got to combine them for it to be cool.

[BobbyStrawberry]

It's the thread that just won't die!

[irv]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

It's the thread that just won't die!

Should I bump up the covid vaccine thread or have you finally learned they are garbage and did absolutely nothing, unless you consider making things worse, something?

I have lots of these too that MSM also didn't tell you. Ever wonder why they try so hard to keep relevant information away from the public? Think, just maybe they, MSM, are told what to talk about and show you?

https://youtu.be/UD7q7vZtbMY

[Chuck9788]

Like vehicles, guns should be used responsibly. I see little difference between an irresponsible gun owner and a drunk driver. I support law abiding gun owners.

[G1911]

1950's sluggers exercising their right to bare arms. And bear arms.

[Exhibitman]

George Carlin put it best as far as I am concerned:

Everyone in this country is running around yammering about their fucking rights. "I have a right, you have no right, we have a right."

Folks I hate to spoil your fun, but... there's no such thing as rights. They're imaginary. We made 'em up. Like the boogie man. Like Three Little Pigs, Pinocio, Mother Goose, shit like that. Rights are an idea. They're just imaginary. They're a cute idea. Cute. But that's all. Cute...and fictional.

*****

Now, if you think you do have rights, I have one last assignment for ya. Next time you're at the computer get on the Internet, go to Wikipedia. When you get to Wikipedia, in the search field for Wikipedia, i want to type in, "Japanese-Americans 1942" and you'll find out all about your precious fucking rights. Alright. You know about it.

In 1942 there were 110,000 Japanese-American citizens, in good standing, law abiding people, who were thrown into internment camps simply because their parents were born in the wrong country. That's all they did wrong. They had no right to a lawyer, no right to a fair trial, no right to a jury of their peers, no right to due process of any kind. The only right they had was...right this way! Into the internment camps.

Just when these American citizens needed their rights the most...their government took them away. and rights aren't rights if someone can take em away. They're privileges. That's all we've ever had in this country is a bill of TEMPORARY privileges; and if you read the news, even badly, you know the list get's shorter, and shorter, and shorter.

_____________________________

ALL THIS DEBATE ABOUT GUN RIGHTS IS AKIN TO DEBATING THE NUMBER OF ANGELS THAT CAN DANCE ON THE HEAD OF A PIN: FICTION. YOUR RIGHTS ARE WHAT FIVE ASSHOLES IN WASHINGTON DECIDE THEY ARE. PERIOD END OF STORY.

[G1911]

Oh yay, it's starting over again.

[irv]

Originally Posted by G1911

Oh yay, it's starting over again.

It certainly is, and as you know, it is even worse up here.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Now, if you think you do have rights, I have one last assignment for ya. Next time you're at the computer get on the Internet, go to Wikipedia. When you get to Wikipedia, in the search field for Wikipedia, i want to type in, "Japanese-Americans 1942" and you'll find out all about your precious fucking rights. Alright. You know about it.

In 1942 there were 110,000 Japanese-American citizens, in good standing, law abiding people, who were thrown into internment camps simply because their parents were born in the wrong country. That's all they did wrong. They had no right to a lawyer, no right to a fair trial, no right to a jury of their peers, no right to due process of any kind. The only right they had was...right this way! Into the internment camps.

You forgot to mention specifically WHO did this and WHO was responsible for it.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Cliff Bowman

You forgot to mention specifically WHO did this and WHO was responsible for it.

Irrelevant. The government does shitty stuff every day; the guardians (courts) are supposed to put a stop to it. Instead. the Supreme Court approved it. They are the true villains of the internment story because they failed to be the check on governmental overreach. As the recent Dobbs case makes crystal clear, all these 'rights' can be reconfigured whenever five idiots decide they want to do it.

[todeen]

Had a hoax active shooter lockdown at my school today (North Central HS in Spokane, among others). It happened at the beginning of lunch. Many of my students were convinced it was connected with the teens who robbed three gun stores within the past month. Those shop robberies have spread a lot of rumors - true or false I don't know. Second article is about the lockdowns, and my school had it nothing like LCHS. SWAT came into my school and entered a few classrooms before the hoax was finalized.

https://www.kxly.com/spokane-police-...op-burglaries/

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/20...hools-in-lock/

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