PWCC - Sorry, Yet Again

[Yoda]

I am sure that many have noticed there is a new element now incorporated in the current version of their new auction rollout; there is now extended bidding, not possible when they were under the arm pit of Ebay.

[BobbyStrawberry]

If their ebay site was an armpit, I'm afraid to say what their own auction house would be...

[Bobbycee]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I am sure that many have noticed there is a new element now incorporated in the current version of their new auction rollout; there is now extended bidding, not possible when they were under the arm pit of Ebay.

Extended bidding for their monthly auctions? Or, just for their Premier auctions?

[Pjere]

I wonder why so many people waste so much time being critical?


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[Leon]

Originally Posted by Pjere

I wonder why so many people waste so much time being critical?

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Of course, why be critical?

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[Snowman]

As a buyer or a seller, I like this new auction structure with the sliding bidding windows. If an item gets a bid during the current window, it gets pushed to the next window. If it doesn't, it ends at the completion of the current window.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Pjere

I wonder why so many people waste so much time being critical?


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Umm, because they are knee-deep in the card doctoring scandal and got thrown off eBay for enabling shill bidding on a massive scale. But nothing to see, folks, just look at the labels on the holders and move along.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Umm, because they are knee-deep in the card doctoring scandal and got thrown off eBay for enabling shill bidding on a massive scale. But nothing to see, folks, just look at the labels on the holders and move along.

I wish all well that wants to use their new platform.

However, for me I will watch from the side lines do to past concerns with PWCC

[Republicaninmass]

Must need time to check out bidder Ids to prevent shilling up to the max bids

[hcv123]

the new 20% Buyers premium!?

[Carter08]

Wow. I did not see the 20%. My own fault but I bet a few people will be caught off guard.

[Snapolit1]

If it wasn't for the occasional mention here and the annoying plugs on collecting newsletter emails, I'd never even think of them. Officially dead to me.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

If it wasn't for the occasional mention here and the annoying plugs on collecting newsletter emails, I'd never even think of them. Officially dead to me.

LOL and I recall when you were marveling how you bought a card from them and received it three days later. Live and learn.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

LOL and I recall when you were marveling how you bought a card from them and received it three days later. Live and learn.

They had excellent customer service. That wasn't their problem.

Unlike certain auction houses with dozens and dozens of employees who take three weeks to get you your winnings.

And I guess I'm flattered that you remember one of my random posts from 3 years ago.

[Pjere]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Umm, because they are knee-deep in the card doctoring scandal and got thrown off eBay for enabling shill bidding on a massive scale. But nothing to see, folks, just look at the labels on the holders and move along.

My point is what’s done is done yet they are still brought up once a month or more simply to complain about them again. I have had some good and some bad experiences with them.
The ebay thing is a bit sketchy on both sides. In my experience pwcc was 10x harder on bidders than ebay was. I was kicked off twice for at least 6 months for the simplest of mistakes:
one time bid $700 instead of $70 and was blocked from bidding because I cancelled the bid.
Another time I was selling some cards that were later relisted because of nonpayment but for some reason weren’t in my member porthole on pwcc and I ended up bidding on one of my own cards (it was a psa 10 prizm Qb of which there were multiple so the error was an easy mistake; once again blocked for the error.
In my opinion ebay saw the writing on the wall and decided to cut off pwcc instead of letting them use their site to create more clientele for when they were going to open their own marketplace anyway.
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[bounce]

Originally Posted by hcv123

the new 20% Buyers premium!?

Originally Posted by Carter08

Wow. I did not see the 20%. My own fault but I bet a few people will be caught off guard.

Pretty sure the buyer's premium is for the Premier auction only.

I don't believe the Monthly auction has a Buyer's premium, does it?

They both have extended bidding, which is a little complicated.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by bounce

Pretty sure the buyer's premium is for the Premier auction only.

I don't believe the Monthly auction has a Buyer's premium, does it?

They both have extended bidding, which is a little complicated.

Agreed, the PWCC website talks about 20% for the premier but doesn’t say either way on the monthly. I would think there is no premium on the monthly then. Can someone confirm?

[Fuddjcal]

[QUOTE=Pjere;2153995]My point is what’s done is done yet they are still brought up once a month or more simply to complain about them again. I have had some good and some bad experiences with them.

Yeah, what's done is done, LOL...Here's the lube. Bend over, only a few more thrusts and we're done.

[Peter_Spaeth]

[QUOTE=Fuddjcal;2154523]

Originally Posted by Pjere

My point is what’s done is done yet they are still brought up once a month or more simply to complain about them again. I have had some good and some bad experiences with them.

Yeah, what's done is done, LOL...Here's the lube. Bend over, only a few more thrusts and we're done.

As we know, long as you got the stuff, people don't care what you've done or been accused of.

A terrorist group could run a successful auction with good material.

[Kidnapped18]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Agreed, the PWCC website talks about 20% for the premier but doesn’t say either way on the monthly. I would think there is no premium on the monthly then. Can someone confirm?

The 20%BP is for premium auctions only
This is what I received from PWCC:
Hello Tony. There is not a buyers premium for items in our Monthly auctions. For full details on the New Monthly Auction you can see our FAQ through the link below and the fees on the link below that.

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/faq#about-monthly
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/submit-to-auction

Hope this helps!

[Carter08]

Thanks!

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Kidnapped18

The 20%BP is for premium auctions only
This is what I received from PWCC:
Hello Tony. There is not a buyers premium for items in our Monthly auctions. For full details on the New Monthly Auction you can see our FAQ through the link below and the fees on the link below that.

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/faq#about-monthly
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/submit-to-auction

Hope this helps!

At least you have received a response to your question. It's been several days and I have not received a response to my question: "Can I provide a copy of my re-sale certificate so that I do not have to pay sales tax?"

[robw1959]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

At least you have received a response to your question. It's been several days and I have not received a response to my question: "Can I provide a copy of my re-sale certificate so that I do not have to pay sales tax?"

In any case, I'm pretty sure you can still just have the items shipped to your PWCC Vault account and pay no taxes that way since the Vault is tax-free in Oregon.

[troutbum97]

Oh, the drama.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

At least you have received a response to your question. It's been several days and I have not received a response to my question: "Can I provide a copy of my re-sale certificate so that I do not have to pay sales tax?"

Yes, you can. I've done it with PWCC. Just get a copy of a 'General Resale Certificate' from your state and fill it out, along with a copy of your state's Seller's Permit then email them to cs@pwccmarketplace.com and ask for it to be sent to the finance dept. That's what I did, and it worked for me. If that doesn't work, I'd say try talking to someone via the chat on their website during business hours and ask them. Good luck.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Yes, you can. I've done it with PWCC. Just get a copy of a 'General Resale Certificate' from your state and fill it out, along with a copy of your state's Seller's Permit then email them to cs@pwccmarketplace.com and ask for it to be sent to the finance dept. That's what I did, and it worked for me. If that doesn't work, I'd say try talking to someone via the chat on their website during business hours and ask them. Good luck.

Since I asked last week about the process to provide my resale license to them via their chat and didn't receive a response within 48+ hours, I posted my previous message. Coincidentally, within 30 minutes of my said post in this thread, I received a response asking me to send a copy of my resale license to them.

[parkplace33]

Anyone check out there current auction? I haven’t heard too much about it.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Umm, because they are knee-deep in the card doctoring scandal and got thrown off eBay for enabling shill bidding on a massive scale. But nothing to see, folks, just look at the labels on the holders and move along.

There ya go injecting truth into things again but that will not stop some.

[Republicaninmass]

You'd have to have your head, and your conscience, examined if you still bid with these guys. You are only "fooling" yourself, and it is only a matter of time. Greedy does make for a hungry puppy.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A terrorist group could run a successful auction with good material.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Anyone check out there current auction? I haven’t heard too much about it.

Nope, I unsubscribe from every email

[Pjere]

Yeah, what's done is done, LOL...Here's the lube. Bend over, only a few more thrusts and we're done.[/QUOTE]


Wow you are disgusting


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[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

You'd have to have your head, and your conscience, examined if you still bid with these guys. You are only "fooling" yourself, and it is only a matter of time. Greedy does make for a hungry puppy.

I've read enough to know that their actions have been thoroughly investigated by the FBI for the laundry list of accusations made on the Blowhard forums. If any of the more serious accusations hold any water whatsoever, then they will be prosecuted. I trust the criminal justice system, for the most part, at least in cases like this. If there is significant wrongdoing by PWCC, we will find out. At that point, I will decide whether or not to continue doing business with them based on those findings. Until then, I will continue to reserve judgment.

Any day now... any day now...

[guy3050]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Nope, I unsubscribe from every email

How do you unsubscribe, I emailed them to take me off their mailing list but still receive emails from them every day

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I've read enough to know that their actions have been thoroughly investigated by the FBI for the laundry list of accusations made on the Blowhard forums. If any of the more serious accusations hold any water whatsoever, then they will be prosecuted. I trust the criminal justice system, for the most part, at least in cases like this. If there is significant wrongdoing by PWCC, we will find out. At that point, I will decide whether or not to continue doing business with them based on those findings. Until then, I will continue to reserve judgment.



Any day now... any day now...

You wrote "Investigated". Would you care to share where the "investigation" has been completed, or is that just the latest banter from your buddies in Lake Oswego, or is it Tigard? I cant keep them straight!



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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I've read enough to know that their actions have been thoroughly investigated by the FBI for the laundry list of accusations made on the Blowhard forums. If any of the more serious accusations hold any water whatsoever, then they will be prosecuted. I trust the criminal justice system, for the most part, at least in cases like this. If there is significant wrongdoing by PWCC, we will find out. At that point, I will decide whether or not to continue doing business with them based on those findings. Until then, I will continue to reserve judgment.

Any day now... any day now...

From your perspective, not (I don't think) having been deeply involved with all this for a long time, I understand that approach. From mine, to paraphrase Dylan, I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

You wrote "Investigated". Would you care to share where the "investigation" has been completed, or is that just the latest banter from your buddies in Lake Oswego, or is it Tigard? I cant keep them straight!



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Would you care to share how you know the investigation is still ongoing? I have no knowledge of whether the investigation has been completed or not. But I do know that they were investigated. I did not misspeak. Perhaps they are also still being investigated, but at this point (as it has been years now) the onus is on you to provide evidence of that claim if you wish to make it.

The difference between my viewpoint and yours is that regardless of the outcome, I don't look like the asshole. I am agnostic. I haven't cast judgment either way. If they committed the crimes, then I can simply cast judgment after they have been found guilty in a court of law. That doesn't make me an asshole because I waited for the FBI to do their job. However, if it turns out that they are innocent, and they never get charged with any crimes then you guys turn out to be not just assholes, but assholes of the highest order. And if that happens, you won't see me saying, "see, I told you they were innocent!" because I never made that claim. Everyone seems to always want to jump to a conclusion, whatever the subject. Why can't more people just be ok with not knowing something? I don't know if they are guilty or innocent, and I'm fine with not knowing. You guys don't know if they are guilty or innocent either, yet for reasons I can't understand, you all seem to want to pretend like you know.

[Republicaninmass]

I dont know, you used the past tense. You seem pretty confident they were investigated and found of no wrong doing. Maybe you should be their mouthpiece, even more so than just a "contrarian " here on channel n54.

I'd advise then to make a statement like

"Hey dudes, we are real salt of the earth kindred spirit folk out here on the Oregon trail. We were investigatED, and subsequently found not guilty, of any wrong doing by the FBI. Ebay claims of people shill bidding in association with PWCC are unsubstantiated. Bid early and often with one ID for your next conserved investment vehicle"


Silence speaks volumes.



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[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

From your perspective, not (I don't think) having been deeply involved with all this for a long time, I understand that approach. From mine, to paraphrase Dylan, I don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

I wasn't aware of the accusations until some point in 2019 when I started posting on Blowout. So I was late to the game. However, I did read every thread I could find on the topic (which turned out to be thousands of pages worth of posts). I also did a fair amount of digging on my own, and even wrote webscraping scripts to investigate PWCC's user base (somewhere on my computer I have a database with every feedback entry they ever received on eBay). While I agree that there are some concerns worth looking into, I haven't found any of them to be unexplainable. And I encountered mountains of conjecture and faulty reasoning along the way. If it turns out that they were committing these crimes, then I will gladly board the train at that time and throw shit on them as well. But I just can't do it at this point. I want to see the process play out first. The worst I can say is that I was late to the party, but I'd rather be late than wrongfully accuse.

Now the Joe Clemons guy and his BGS black labels... Ya, that's messed up. There is no scenario whatsoever where he wasn't given preferential treatment.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

You seem pretty confident they were investigated and found of no wrong doing.

I don't see how you can draw this conclusion after reading what I just wrote.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I don't see how you can draw this conclusion after reading what I just wrote.

The FBI and Ebay must just be picking on them. Ebay you claimed it was because they were starting their own "platform". Which a board member pointed out to you it was just going to be items for sale. Once they were

kicked off all of a sudden became auctions. Curious if you know if they were they also going into investigations so the FBI began investigating them? Maybe it was just background checks so they could become private investigators?

I'm not sure why they are drawing all this attention, but think I'll steer clear, despite proof of any wrong doing. I guess OJ was actually proven innocent too. He must just be "wrongly accused, and worth doing business with" in snowman's book of integrity.

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[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by Snowman

The difference between my viewpoint and yours is that regardless of the outcome, I don't look like the asshole.

Just Asking Questions?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I wasn't aware of the accusations until some point in 2019 when I started posting on Blowout. So I was late to the game. However, I did read every thread I could find on the topic (which turned out to be thousands of pages worth of posts). I also did a fair amount of digging on my own, and even wrote webscraping scripts to investigate PWCC's user base (somewhere on my computer I have a database with every feedback entry they ever received on eBay). While I agree that there are some concerns worth looking into, I haven't found any of them to be unexplainable. And I encountered mountains of conjecture and faulty reasoning along the way. If it turns out that they were committing these crimes, then I will gladly board the train at that time and throw shit on them as well. But I just can't do it at this point. I want to see the process play out first. The worst I can say is that I was late to the party, but I'd rather be late than wrongfully accuse.

Now the Joe Clemons guy and his BGS black labels... Ya, that's messed up. There is no scenario whatsoever where he wasn't given preferential treatment.

Yeah, as I recall from the guys who were good at that sort of math, the odds were beyond staggering that all his black labels were just the result of his "eagle eye" and not favoritism.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Two things have me concerned about doing business with them in the future:

1) They would auction the same cards on ebay over and over and over again. Someone would "win" the auction and the card would immediately go up for auction again. Coincidentally, they then got kicked off of ebay amidst accusations of shill bidding. I don't need the FBI to tell me that something was amiss.

2) Their new website sucks.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Would you care to share how you know the investigation is still ongoing? I have no knowledge of whether the investigation has been completed or not. But I do know that they were investigated. I did not misspeak. Perhaps they are also still being investigated, but at this point (as it has been years now) the onus is on you to provide evidence of that claim if you wish to make it.

The difference between my viewpoint and yours is that regardless of the outcome, I don't look like the asshole. I am agnostic. I haven't cast judgment either way. If they committed the crimes, then I can simply cast judgment after they have been found guilty in a court of law. That doesn't make me an asshole because I waited for the FBI to do their job. However, if it turns out that they are innocent, and they never get charged with any crimes then you guys turn out to be not just assholes, but assholes of the highest order. And if that happens, you won't see me saying, "see, I told you they were innocent!" because I never made that claim. Everyone seems to always want to jump to a conclusion, whatever the subject. Why can't more people just be ok with not knowing something? I don't know if they are guilty or innocent, and I'm fine with not knowing. You guys don't know if they are guilty or innocent either, yet for reasons I can't understand, you all seem to want to pretend like you know.

I don't know what the outcome will be, there are a host of considerations that go into decisions whether to seek to indict, but I certainly know what he told me personally. And I know the law. I am not pretending anything.

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Why can't more people just be ok with not knowing something?

I'm speechless.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

The FBI and Ebay must just be picking on them. Ebay you claimed it was because they were starting their own "platform". Which a board member pointed out to you it was just going to be items for sale. Once they were

kicked off all of a sudden became auctions. Curious if you know if they were they also going into investigations so the FBI began investigating them? Maybe it was just background checks so they could become private investigators?

I'm not sure why they are drawing all this attention, but think I'll steer clear, despite proof of any wrong doing. I guess OJ was actually proven innocent too. He must just be "wrongly accused, and worth doing business with" in snowman's book of integrity.

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You seem to want to project conclusions onto me. You're not understanding what I keep saying. I don't know what happened. I have zero insider knowledge. I also don't believe anyone else here knows what happened either. Again, I'm agnostic.

My point about eBay potentially wanting to tarnish PWCC's reputation isn't me pretending to know what is happening. It's just a counterpoint to the arguments that you guys keep making where you pretend to know that eBay has proof of PWCC themselves engaging in shill bidding, or that the FBI is pressuring eBay into this decsision. Sure, both are plausible, but you don't know that to be true, and it certainly cannot even be assumed from the wording of the email they sent out. You are the one claiming you know what happened here. Not me. Again, I remain agnostic, but I point out that there are other legitimate possibilities in play, and that eBay coming after a competitor is certainly one of them. eBay has a strong track record of coming after their competition. This is not some far-fetched conspiracy theory. It is one of many plausible explanations. That's all I'm saying.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Deertick

I'm speechless.

There is an ignore option so you only see someones post when someone quotes them.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by bnorth

There is an ignore option so you only see someones post when someone quotes them.

But then you are missing the fun!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Would you care to share how you know the investigation is still ongoing? I have no knowledge of whether the investigation has been completed or not. But I do know that they were investigated. I did not misspeak. Perhaps they are also still being investigated, but at this point (as it has been years now) the onus is on you to provide evidence of that claim if you wish to make it.

The difference between my viewpoint and yours is that regardless of the outcome, I don't look like the asshole. I am agnostic. I haven't cast judgment either way. If they committed the crimes, then I can simply cast judgment after they have been found guilty in a court of law. That doesn't make me an asshole because I waited for the FBI to do their job. However, if it turns out that they are innocent, and they never get charged with any crimes then you guys turn out to be not just assholes, but assholes of the highest order. And if that happens, you won't see me saying, "see, I told you they were innocent!" because I never made that claim. Everyone seems to always want to jump to a conclusion, whatever the subject. Why can't more people just be ok with not knowing something? I don't know if they are guilty or innocent, and I'm fine with not knowing. You guys don't know if they are guilty or innocent either, yet for reasons I can't understand, you all seem to want to pretend like you know.

Did you even look at the dozens of threads showing concrete proof of alteration? Thousands of cut and dried "before and after" examples for you to peruse through. All miraculously from the same submitter over a multiple-year span...

Whether or not the FBI finally comes around, someone with your self-proclaimed expertise should easily be able to determine for yourself, their obvious level of corruption and complicity.