Circa 1939-1940 Cincinnati Reds

[todeen]

I love the other thread going on about the Cincinnati Reds. Awesome items. But I wanted to get a thread started that looked more specifically at a small window of time and players: '39 and '40 when the Reds went to back-to-back world series against the Yankees and Tigers. You can post items for any player or manager associated. For instance, you might have items for Hank Gowdy before or beyond these years.

I try to focus my collection on this era, especially on flat items, because I don't have a lot of space to hold and display my items. So many of them go into a scrap book.

So, to kick it off, I wanted to share the Reds version of the World Series programs. I do not own the Yankees or Tigers home programs. I think both programs are beautiful, patriotic, and well done. I especially love the incorporation of the '39 season theme recognizing 100 years of baseball, and the opening of the Hall of Fame.

If someone has the Yankees or Tigers versions, I'd love if you posted them. The Yankees '39 cover is also a beautiful cover.

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[todeen]

The next item I have is a 1940 regular season program, but it's scored for Game 4 of the World Series. That would lead me to believe it was scored over the radio. Regardless, Derringer and the Reds won that game!

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[todeen]

I only have one World Series ticket, game 4 of the 1940 series. I specifically bought this to go along with my game 4 scored program. One day I will focus on completing the set!

If anyone else has the other tickets, or any special regular season tickets, show 'em!

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[todeen]

Sticking with the World Series, I have picked up a couple news service photos. The first is from the '39 series, Joltin' Joe sliding safely into third. The next is from the '40 series, Bucky Walters being congratulated after hitting a home run.

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[todeen]

During this era, Baseball Magazine loved the Reds. There are a couple other covers I don't have yet, one has Ernie Lombardi on the cover, Bucky Walters is on a cover in 1941, and I believe there is one more with a Reds player on the cover. The first is Bucky Walters and Joe D., and the second is the '40 World Champion Reds.

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[todeen]

Another awesome sidetrack of collecting for this era is Louisville Slugger advertisements. Ernie Lombardi was the 1938 NL MVP, as well as the NL Batting Champ. He was displayed prominently on the ads at this time, as well as on the cover of The Famous Sluggers Yearbook.

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[todeen]

Ernie Lombardi's prowess also landed him on numerous Wheaties backs. I'm missing two more of his. I also know Bucky Walters and Paul Derringer appear on some backs, and I'm missing those as well. If you have them, show 'em!

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[todeen]

This era of Reds also saw numerous sets released. My favorite, that I'm collecting, is the W-711 set (1938 & 39, color). The set is small, think slightly larger than t206. However, there is also the Orcajo postcard set, same poses used in other sets, but black and white. There is also the 1940 Harry Hartmann set (b&w). There are also team released 5x7 pictures floating around.

If you have any of the sets other than the W-711, or W-711 that I'm missing, show 'em!

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[todeen]

I've also tried to track down signatures on 3x5 index cards. I really like the idea of making my scrap book look like it came out of the period, so using index cards is a simple way for me to build in that unique look. Below there is Warren Giles, Bill McKechnie, and Hank Gowdy.

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[timn1]

Hi Tim,

Tim N. here - the 1939-40 Reds were my entree into prewar card collecting - I had an uncle near Cincy who gave me his W711s and his scorecards when I was about twelve. I don't have anything like your memorabilia, but I have a few things I will try to post when I can get them scanned.

You're welcome to email me directly at apspr@msn.com, since you and i may be the main board people interested in this team, LOL.

In the meantime, here's one of my card White Whales that I looked for for decades and finally got a few years ago.

[timn1]

one of the really difficult Orcajos-

[todeen]

Originally Posted by timn1

In the meantime, here's one of my card White Whales that I looked for for decades and finally got a few years ago.

Awesome! I've never seen this one. I had a hard time tracking down Bill McKechnie. There just aren't very many W711s out there.

As for board members who enjoy this era of the Reds, I know there are more. There are some awesome Vander Meer pieces over on the more generic Reds thread.

That's also a cool Orcajo postcard. Nice items. Thanks for sharing!

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[Chris Counts]

Tim, it's nice to see what a Wes Livengood card looks like. I was wondering if it was just a rumor — I tried to find an image on Google just the other day and came up empty. If I had a time machine, my first stop would be Crosley Field in 1940. Here are a few cards and snapshots from that era in Cincinnati ...

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

Tim, it's nice to see what a Wes Livengood card looks like. I was wondering if it was just a rumor — I tried to find an image on Google just the other day and came up empty. If I had a time machine, my first stop would be Crosley Field in 1940. Here are a few cards and snapshots from that era in Cincinnati ...

Those are great auto snap shots. Those are so unique and beautiful. Truly one of a kind!

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[da-bullman]

Don't you think that items find you? I love collecting without a check list the hunt and reward are so much better. Good luck finding the unknow.. You might find my web site useful www.1939baseball.com All the Best Steve

[todeen]

Originally Posted by da-bullman

Don't you think that items find you? I love collecting without a check list the hunt and reward are so much better. Good luck finding the unknow.. You might find my web site useful www.1939baseball.com All the Best Steve

I do think items find their way to certain collectors. I do generic searches under the players, 1939 world series, 1939 cincinnati reds, etc. I don't feel pressure to buy items if they don't speak to me. I like finding one of a kind items i don't see often or ever. It makes it the purchase more exciting. And when I flip thru the items each time I think of how lucky I was to find those items.

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[todeen]

In the last 12 months I've picked up two Type 2 photos. One auto'd by Bucky Walters, standing with Foxx, Joe Gordon, Lefty Gomez, and Ival Goodman. I believe it is from the '39 All Star Game, as you can see the centennial patch on Walters sleeve. The next picture I just bought is a publicity photo for the '39 World Series with Joltin' Joe and auto'd by Ernie "The Schnozz" Lombardi. Very excited about both.

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[topcat61]

Originally Posted by todeen

This era of Reds also saw numerous sets released. My favorite, that I'm collecting, is the W-711 set (1938 & 39, color). The set is small, think slightly larger than t206. However, there is also the Orcajo postcard set, same poses used in other sets, but black and white. There is also the 1940 Harry Hartmann set (b&w). There are also team released 5x7 pictures floating around.

If you have any of the sets other than the W-711, or W-711 that I'm missing, show 'em!

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I'm a big fan of Powell Crosley's Reds. What a interesting team and these card are fantastic! The 38 & 39 W711sets are, in my opinion, very underrated.

[timn1]

Hi guys,

The people following this thread are the ones who can answer this:

The Orcajo checklist has two Whitey Moore listings, one with the correct photo and one with Bucky Walters' image. But one is much more common than the other, and I have seen contradictory listings about which one is which.

My sense from looking at the faces is that the Orcajo "Moore" pictured here is Walters, not the real Moore. Is that the way you see it?

[todeen]

Here's a side profile of Whitey Moore that I have from a publicity photo. I'm not very good at making facial recognition.

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[todeen]

I posted their autographs earlier, but I wanted to post a news photo of the Reds brass at the 1940 Winter Meetings.

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[timn1]

Agreed, it's difficult. I have spent quite a while looking at their faces on google images. The Orcajo doesn't have Bucky's usual expression, but it does seem to feature a rather rounded face and a slight ballooning of the cheeks which are definitely like Walters, as opposed to the slightly hollow cheeks and leaner face seen in most Moore photos. That's my main conclusion-

Originally Posted by todeen

Here's a side profile of Whitey Moore that I have from a publicity photo. I'm not very good at making facial recognition.

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[timn1]

Found this image of Walters- pretty conclusive-

[timn1]

Here's one some of you fans may not have seen - commemorative cigar box (the top and the inside top)

[todeen]

Originally Posted by timn1

Here's one some of you fans may not have seen - commemorative cigar box (the top and the inside top)

Interesting, what was it commemorating?

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[Chris Counts]

Here's the latest addition to my W711 set, Jim Weaver, along with two variations of the 1940 Play Ball Lonny Frey ...

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Chris Counts

Here's the latest addition to my W711 set, Jim Weaver, along with two variations of the 1940 Play Ball Lonny Frey ...

Jim Weaver is another I have never seen. Great find! I also like those Lonny Frey cards. I lived in Spokane and never knew that's where he lived / or around until I saw his collection appear in Antiques Roadshow in Spokane. If you haven't seen it you should try to find the clip.

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[MikeGarcia]

[timn1]

Big Jim is the other really tough w711. I looked a long time for one, but there are a few out ther, at least.

The cigar box was just commemorating the team, I guess. No specific event that I know of.

Originally Posted by todeen

Jim Weaver is another I have never seen. Great find! I also like those Lonny Frey cards. I lived in Spokane and never knew that's where he lived / or around until I saw his collection appear in Antiques Roadshow in Spokane. If you haven't seen it you should try to find the clip.

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[todeen]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

Those old school publicity photos are the best. Nothing like today. Can you imagine Mike Trout being told to throw the ball in the air as high as he can and try to catch it as photos are being taken? And that old school windup. Love it. My son cracks up when I throw it like that in the backyard. I love pre-war sets, they have some great shots.

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[todeen]

I went ahead and found that Lonny Frey antique roadshow appraisal from Spokane. It's still cool watching it again.

https://video.pbs12.org/video/antiqu...ll-collection/

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[Griffins]

Here's the W711-2 set in uncut form

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Griffins

Here's the W711-2 set in uncut form

That's fantastic! Are you willing to share details about where you acquired it? AH? LCS? How long have you owned it?

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[MikeGarcia]

[Bumpus Jones]

cool idea for a post tim and i've seen some great items so far! here's a few of mine from probably one of my favorite eras of reds memorabilia to collect.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

That Metropolitan Clothing ad is a great item! I love advertising with players on it.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Bumpus Jones

cool idea for a post tim and i've seen some great items so far! here's a few of mine from probably one of my favorite eras of reds memorabilia to collect.

That Schedule is cool. I haven't seen that before. And that pennant, makes me jealous (in a good way) every time I see one pop up on the other thread. Great items.

[Griffins]

Originally Posted by todeen

That's fantastic! Are you willing to share details about where you acquired it? AH? LCS? How long have you owned it?

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I bought it from Mike Gidwitz about 10 years ago. I'd been constantly upgrading a high grade set for a few years before that and hit a wall, this seemed like the logical companion piece. My stepfather grew up in Cincinnati and went to the '39 and '40 World Series, I got this sheet and a couple of ticket stubs from the series as dementia was starting to set in on him, but he loved holding them and talking about the players back then.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Griffins

I bought it from Mike Gidwitz about 10 years ago. I'd been constantly upgrading a high grade set for a few years before that and hit a wall, this seemed like the logical companion piece. My stepfather grew up in Cincinnati and went to the '39 and '40 World Series, I got this sheet and a couple of ticket stubs from the series as dementia was starting to set in on him, but he loved holding them and talking about the players back then.

Isn't it interesting how little items or songs can spark memories in dementia and alzheimers patients? That was very kind of you to do that for him.

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[todeen]

This entire team is made up of fantastic players to collect. I have mostly focused on Ernie Lombardi up to this point, but the #2 player I have also bought would be Paul Derringer. Pictured below are an authenticated signature on an index card, the 1936 R313 National Chicle fine pen, a publicity photo, and the 1934 Butterfinger premium.




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[todeen]

Another signed index card, this time of Ival Goodman, with a 1939 Goudey.

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[clydepepper]

Glad to contribute to this thread with a 'home boy':

I do realize that his big years came later ('41- 19 wins & '43 21 wins) but he did win a game for the '40 squad.


1941 W711-2 Red Harry Hartman - ELMER RIDDLE PSA-7.jpg

[todeen]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Glad to contribute to this thread with a 'home boy':

I do realize that his big years came later ('41- 19 wins & '43 21 wins) but he did win a game for the '40 squad.


Attachment 402434

Nice card with sharp corners. And the thread title says CIRCA. So this is a great contribution.

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[Bumpus Jones]

great stuff fellas. this vintage signed orcajo is probably my favorite card from this era. the photo does not do it justice.

[todeen]

Dual signed newspaper clipping of Vander Meer and Lombardi (not authenticated). McKechnie also pictured.

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[todeen]

Reds claiming the pennant in 1939. Berger scores game winning run.

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[Leon]

Cool piece....

Originally Posted by Griffins

Here's the W711-2 set in uncut form

[todeen]

Originally Posted by timn1

Hi Tim,



Tim N. here - the 1939-40 Reds were my entree into prewar card collecting - I had an uncle near Cincy who gave me his W711s and his scorecards when I was about twelve. I don't have anything like your memorabilia, but I have a few things I will try to post when I can get them scanned.



You're welcome to email me directly at apspr@msn.com, since you and i may be the main board people interested in this team, LOL.



In the meantime, here's one of my card White Whales that I looked for for decades and finally got a few years ago.

I found a new addition for my w711 set last night, Frenchy Bordagaray. Not the cleanest card, but it's better to have one rather than none! And it was $15. Sometimes ebay sellers go crazy with w711 prices.

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[reds1922]

[QUOTE=todeen;1983321]Sticking with the World Series, I have picked up a couple news service photos. The first is from the '39 series, Joltin' Joe sliding safely into third. The next is from the '40 series, Bucky Walters being congratulated after hitting a home run.

Just an FYI, the players congratulating Walters are Lew Riggs (center) and Morrie Arnovich (right). Behind Riggs it is probably Eddie Joost.