1974 topps psa mike schmidt psa 10

[rjackson44]

why ???

[bnorth]

Because he is the greatest player ever. PSA is the most amazing company ever and they say the card is perfect. Plus it was auctioned off by a very reputable company that does not allow any wrongdoing in their auctions. So with all that going for it how couldn't a $10 card bring $7600.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Because he is the greatest player ever. PSA is the most amazing company ever and they say the card is perfect. Plus it was auctioned off by a very reputable company that does not allow any wrongdoing in their auctions. So with all that going for it how couldn't a $10 card bring $7600.

There are PSA 10 HOF collectors out there...not sure if it was bidding war or not but look at the 1975 Yount and Brett etc in PSA 10..

Say what you want but PWCC is better to buy from than nobodys..nobodys are more likely to shill The nobody can make 2 accounts and buy the card from the other then cancel the purchase. The 1000s of poeple that consign to pwcc dont have that relationship with PWCC. If you win your own card with PWCC its not going to be canceled you will end up costing you 10-15%...but a nobody gets charged zero.......i worry more about non auction houses on ebay then the probsteins of the world

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Because he is the greatest player ever. PSA is the most amazing company ever and they say the card is perfect. Plus it was auctioned off by a very reputable company that does not allow any wrongdoing in their auctions. So with all that going for it how couldn't a $10 card bring $7600.

man give me all of your mint 1974 schmidts for 10 dollar a piece since thats all they are worth

[jthorst75]

I guess the question is, why $30 for standard shipping? Crazy...

[MattyC]

74 Schmidt is a very big card for collectors of that era. It is his first solo card, his RC having been a multi-face. What's more, it is notoriously condition sensitive; few example have standout eye appeal due to tilt and various PD issues.

From the demand end, you have a HOF player with a passionate fan base, set builders for whom it is a key card in the 74T set, and single card collectors like myself for example, all of whom would love a great example. The Registry competition among both Schmidt and 74T collectors alone would be sufficient to drive up the price.

That said, due to the PD on this particular card, I would never agree with the 10 designation it was given. I would bet that particular card comes back in a lower grade 9 of 10 times it is submitted raw-- even though 10s by definition do allow for a small print defect that does not detract from eye appeal. I think the PD in this case does affect the appeal, so it is admittedly a subjective call. For me, I love the 74 Schmidt card, but this would have been a case IMO of buying the sticker.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by MattyC

74 Schmidt is a very big card for collectors of that era. It is his first solo card, his RC having been a multi-face. What's more, it is notoriously condition sensitive; few example have standout eye appeal due to tilt and various PD issues.

From the demand end, you have a HOF player with a passionate fan base, set builders for whom it is a key card in the 74T set, and single card collectors like myself for example, all of whom would love a great example. The Registry competition among both Schmidt and 74T collectors alone would be sufficient to drive up the price.

That said, due to the PD on this particular card, I would never agree with the 10 designation it was given. I would bet that particular card comes back in a lower grade 9 of 10 times it is submitted raw-- even though 10s by definition do allow for a small print defect that does not detract from eye appeal. I think the PD in this case does affect the appeal, so it is admittedly a subjective call. For me, I love the 74 Schmidt card, but this would have been a case IMO of buying the sticker.

You can say buy the card not the holder but if you ended up having this card 3 months from now and you got it for free...you wouldnt sell it to me for $3000 since its really a PSA 9 in your opinion.....basically everyone says buy the card not the holder...but nobody sells the card, not the holder.....everyone sells the holder not the card......

Thus my new expression is Sell the Holder not the card, until i see nobody doing that..

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

man give me all of your mint 1974 schmidts for 10 dollar a piece since thats all they are worth

In all seriousness I would never pay more than $10 for that exact card to be in my collection. I don't believe in the magic plastic holders but understand there are several that do. I hope they don't get too offended when I laugh really hard at their purchases just like I don't get offended when they laugh really hard at my ungraded worthless beater collection.

[MattyC]

I wouldn't ever end up with a card that doesn't match or exceed the grade because I don't buy ugly cards for my collection. I'd buy a high end 10 that was truly perfect and fit the grade, and then sell it faster and for a much bigger number than the low end 10 would fetch, were that my game.

And yes, if you buy the card you will always do well. It can bump or command a premium over its grade. So one can sell the card, though I do agree 100% the holder is sold all the time as well, even when the card inside doesn't match up with the holder. If you want to just buy stickers, go for yours. Long as a collector is happy with their card.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I wouldn't ever end up with a card that doesn't match or exceed the grade because I don't buy ugly cards for my collection. And I wouldn't be selling it for any number because I wouldn't buy it.

I'd buy a high end 10 that was truly perfect and fit the grade, and then sell it faster and for a much bigger number than the low end 10 would fetch, were that my game.

And yes, if you buy the card you will always do well. It can bump or command a premium over its grade. So one can sell the card, though I do agree 100% the holder is sold all the time as well, even when the card inside doesn't match up with the holder. If you want to just buy stickers, go for yours. Long as a collector is happy with their card.

In my example you got the card for free....so you could have that in your collecton...and i am saying sell the holder not the card., i am not buying stickers...like you said...100% of the time the sticker is sold not the card....

sell the holder not the card....

You could always get that PSA 10 regarded to a PSA 7..now its a pretty card for the grade no longer an ugly card.....

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

In all seriousness I would never pay more than $10 for that exact card to be in my collection. I don't believe in the magic plastic holders but understand there are several that do. I hope they don't get too offended when I laugh really hard at their purchases just like I don't get offended when they laugh really hard at my ungraded worthless beater collection.

right understood.....when not paying much you really cant lose much so i dont disagree with your buying methods....when i buy high dollar cards though i do care about what others are looking to buy...

i hate advertising for example on the internet but if thats where the customers go to look to use my services..than i have to do what the people value...

Its funny when you are kid you are told to not care what others think....but when you are looking to sell a card at what you think is market price...then you absolutely care what others think....

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

You could always get that PSA 10 regarded to a PSA 7..now its a pretty card for the grade no longer an ugly card.....

Funny you say that because I've actually done that myself. Last year I had a gorgeous PSA 8 Michael Jordan RC. Then under light I saw a very, very mild crease. Probably more like a warp it would be called. It was so slight it got by the graders. I could have kept it in the 8 holder and sold it for more than I paid. Instead I had them regrade it down to a 4, and it may now be the nicest looking MJ RC south of an 8 around, LOL!

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by rjackson44

why ???

What MattyC said, and that card has a total population of 5 in PSA 10 out of over 2,000 graded, including 206 PSA 9s. There are collectors out there, myself NOT included, who are willing to pay big money because of the scarcity of the grade.

Just look at the 86 Fleer basketball Johnny Moore, or I believe it's the 1986 Topps Ryne Sandberg for examples.

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I could have kept it in the 8 holder and sold it for more than I paid. Instead I had them regrade it down to a 4

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

haha funny...but yeah when Matty ever sells the card ..the real test for him is to not say 'the card was in a psa 8 holder before'....he would have to just tell them its a great psa 4.....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I wouldn't ever end up with a card that doesn't match or exceed the grade because I don't buy ugly cards for my collection. I'd buy a high end 10 that was truly perfect and fit the grade, and then sell it faster and for a much bigger number than the low end 10 would fetch, were that my game.

And yes, if you buy the card you will always do well. It can bump or command a premium over its grade. So one can sell the card, though I do agree 100% the holder is sold all the time as well, even when the card inside doesn't match up with the holder. If you want to just buy stickers, go for yours. Long as a collector is happy with their card.

A low end 10? ?? Seriously? The whole thing has reached a point of absurdity if we are talking about high end and low end 10s.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A low end 10? ?? Seriously? The whole thing has reached a point of absurdity if we are talking about high end and low end 10s.

haha that was true but it was more absurd on dealers saying their card was mint or near mint...the disparity between the different dealers assessment of what near mint was very broad...

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A low end 10? ?? Seriously? The whole thing has reached a point of absurdity if we are talking about high end and low end 10s.

It found the point of absurdity many years ago.

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

haha that was true but it was more absurd on dealers saying their card was mint or near mint...the disparity between the different dealers assessment of what near mint was very broad...

I highly disagree because when this seller of raw cards highly over grades their cards we are talking a few $100 now the difference between a 9 Mint or 10 Gem Mint card is several $1000 and lets not even talk about the 10 that should be a 7 or 8 that would be basically worthless without the 10 on the flip.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bnorth

It found the point of absurdity many years ago.



I highly disagree because when this seller of raw cards highly over grades their cards we are talking a few $100 now the difference between a 9 Mint or 10 Gem Mint card is several $1000 and lets not even talk about the 10 that should be a 7 or 8 that would be basically worthless without the 10 on the flip.

Its PSA's opinion that counts..not the seller that wants to sell you a card ....PSA is the third party.......i cant imagine how many returns there would be on ebay if alll cards were raw and bought at 'mint' or near mint.....much less returns they are with PSA cards whether ugly or not...i think you would agree on that..

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A low end 10? ?? Seriously? The whole thing has reached a point of absurdity if we are talking about high end and low end 10s.

A big +1 there, Pete. The guys that buy these things, IMHO, might as well be paying for them with beans--what they're laying out in $$$ is to them what $35 bucks would be to most, or at least a lot of us. They just have it in their heads that they want (or deserve) the very best, and money is the least of their worries. As I've said before, for what you actually get for your money, a nice "8" or "8.5" should be at least a fifth or sixth of the price of a gem mint "10," and certainly not hundreds of times the amount of the latter. Leon said it though--we all collect in different ways. I'd never pay that for a '74 Schmidt (although he is the greatest 3rd baseman of all time) when I just paid a tad over $4,000 for one of the total of three graded 1939 V351 Ted Williams rookies in SGC Ex. No question whatsoever in MY mind as to who got the better deal, now and at any time in the future!

Best wishes,

Larry

[philliesphan]

Well -- I'm a huge Schmidt fan, so I have perhaps a bit of a bias in my opinion here.

I'll also disclose that I am the owner of one of the five 1974 Topps Mike Schmidt #283 PSA 10 cards, and I am happily so.

A few thoughts:

I get that grading is not for many / all folks. PSA 10s of Hall of Famers go for crazy prices. They have for a decade or more. This is not a new thing, there is a market for it, and if you're not willing to pony up for a 10, so be it. Collect what you want, have fun with the hobby. For as much as I like my Schmidt cards, I equally like my beat up Zeenut cards, which are measurably rarer.

It is deceptive that Brent listed this card in the subtitle as Population 1 of 4. As mentioned already in this thread, there are five of these PSA 10s.

From a pure grading perspective, I looked at hundreds of Schmidt #283 over the years, and I quite like the PSA 10 that I have. That said, I've seen scans or handled four of the PSA 10s (haven't seen the fifth). Two of them have a very common print defect, the dreaded "pair of yellow dots" in the Philadelphia red background area to the top left of Schmidt's head. I find those damned dots quite distracting. When you've seen dozens upon dozens of the same card, I promise you this is one of the things that sticks out like a sore thumb, even moreso than the centering that is so often off on this card.

Here's the other PSA 10 of this card with the two ugly print dots:
http://apr08.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...pl?itemid=7448

Luckily, the card I have doesn't have the dots.

[Harford20]

Larry,
That V351 Williams is my unicorn. I have seen three for sale/auction in the last 15 years and the price has yet to be even in the same city (let alone the same ballpark) of my budget. At one time I had $1500 set aside for that card and it never appeared; and the money disappeared.

On the Schmidt, I do know several collectors that have to have that PSA9-10 card and wait/pay for that type of excitement. As some have noted, collecting is "to each his/her own".

Dave

[1952boyntoncollector]

As much as a fuss people make about PSA 10s 1970s cards and why?

It can be argued that 10 years from now the only 1970s cards that go for real money will be PSA 10s....PSA 9s would be like PSA 7-8s..mostly not worth the cost of grading..

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Harford20

Larry,
That V351 Williams is my unicorn. I have seen three for sale/auction in the last 15 years and the price has yet to be even in the same city (let alone the same ballpark) of my budget. At one time I had $1500 set aside for that card and it never appeared; and the money disappeared.

On the Schmidt, I do know several collectors that have to have that PSA9-10 card and wait/pay for that type of excitement. As some have noted, collecting is "to each his/her own".

Dave

Yeah, I've come to agree with you, Dave. Leon quite properly responded to one of my earlier, critical posts in this respect that "we each collect differently," and he was right. I don't see the degree of extra value in a gem mint 10 versus a nice "8" or "8.5," but I know others do. Despite respected coin dealer/afficionado Q. David Bowers' views being similar to mine, condition rarities in coins have continued to flourish. To each his own.

I did just buy an '89 Topps PSA 10 Jim Harbaugh because of what he is doing at my old undergrad school, but with 103 PSA tens, the price of course was quite reasonable.

Thanks to all for making some good points,

Larry

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

A low end 10? ?? Seriously? The whole thing has reached a point of absurdity if we are talking about high end and low end 10s.

+1

[pokerplyr80]

To everyone who doesn't agree with the idea of a high end or low end PSA 10 think about the difference in value between a PSA 10 and a BGS 10 Pristine, especially on a card like an 86 Fleer Jordan. You don't think someone would pay extra for one that looks flawless, dead centered, no print defects, with a chance to cross?

The difference in market value could be anywhere from 300% to 1000% or more depending on the card.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by ls7plus

Yeah, I've come to agree with you, Dave. Leon quite properly responded to one of my earlier, critical posts in this respect that "we each collect differently," and he was right. I don't see the degree of extra value in a gem mint 10 versus a nice "8" or "8.5," but I know others do. Despite respected coin dealer/afficionado Q. David Bowers' views being similar to mine, condition rarities in coins have continued to flourish. To each his own.

I did just buy an '89 Topps PSA 10 Jim Harbaugh because of what he is doing at my old undergrad school, but with 103 PSA tens, the price of course was quite reasonable.

Thanks to all for making some good points,

Larry

Well, after the Michigan State debacle, make that 102 PSA 10's--one no longer exists!

Larry

[SAllen2556]

With this debate about high-end and low-end PSA 10's, I thought I'd take this opportunity to announce a new company my partners and I have formed:
MGS 4th Party Grading (Monkey Grading Service)

This grading service will allow the collector to send in his PSA 9 or 10 or whatever, and my crack team of graders, for a fee of course, will examine the card and designate it one of three catagories (highest to lowest): super monkey, average monkey, or bad monkey.

So now if you a buy a PSA 10 Mike Schmidt, you can send it to my crack team and they'll paint a little MGS designation on the card. So not only will you have a PSA 10, if you're lucky, you'll have a PSA 10 super monkey!

[1952boyntoncollector]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-Topps-M...wAAOSw5VFWNUrI

POP 1 of 5..yet 2 on ebay last 3 weeks..

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by philliesphan

Well -- I'm a huge Schmidt fan, so I have perhaps a bit of a bias in my opinion here.

I'll also disclose that I am the owner of one of the five 1974 Topps Mike Schmidt #283 PSA 10 cards, and I am happily so.

A few thoughts:

I get that grading is not for many / all folks. PSA 10s of Hall of Famers go for crazy prices. They have for a decade or more. This is not a new thing, there is a market for it, and if you're not willing to pony up for a 10, so be it. Collect what you want, have fun with the hobby. For as much as I like my Schmidt cards, I equally like my beat up Zeenut cards, which are measurably rarer.

It is deceptive that Brent listed this card in the subtitle as Population 1 of 4. As mentioned already in this thread, there are five of these PSA 10s.

From a pure grading perspective, I looked at hundreds of Schmidt #283 over the years, and I quite like the PSA 10 that I have. That said, I've seen scans or handled four of the PSA 10s (haven't seen the fifth). Two of them have a very common print defect, the dreaded "pair of yellow dots" in the Philadelphia red background area to the top left of Schmidt's head. I find those damned dots quite distracting. When you've seen dozens upon dozens of the same card, I promise you this is one of the things that sticks out like a sore thumb, even moreso than the centering that is so often off on this card.

Here's the other PSA 10 of this card with the two ugly print dots:
http://apr08.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...pl?itemid=7448

Luckily, the card I have doesn't have the dots.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1974-Topps-M...wAAOSw5VFWNUrI

this card doesn't appear to have the dots either..unless this is your card..

[Bored5000]

The 1974 Topps Schmidt in PSA 10 is currently at $3,000. In the same PWCC auction, there is also a '74 Topps Schmidt in PSA 9. That one is currently at $61.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

The 1974 Topps Schmidt in PSA 10 is currently at $3,000. In the same PWCC auction, there is also a '74 Topps Schmidt in PSA 9. That one is currently at $61.

the 9s tend to go for 175-220 range..

[MattyC]

[Vintagevault13]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I will take door #3

[jb67]

On first glance the first Schmidt catches my attention. Best centering of the 3 and nice looking corners. As I look at the richness of color combined with corners and centering then Schmidt #2 looks the best. If I was ranking them based on grades I would say #2 is first #1 is second and #3 is third.

Initial eye-appeal for me I would take Schmidt #1. My 2 cents for what it is worth.

Originally Posted by MattyC

[MattyC]

Always a fun game. For me, I rank them in order from left to right, 1-2-3. So I agree with JB. Not surprising as I often find myself admiring the cards he posts. The far right card is last for me because it has that top left corner, a small ding in the left edge, and some registration issues along the right black "piping," or inner border. Centering is really rare in a 74 Schmidt and so I go with card 1 on the left first.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Always a fun game. For me, I rank them in order from left to right, 1-2-3. So I agree with JB. Not surprising as I often find myself admiring the cards he posts. The far right card is last for me because it has that top left corner, a small ding in the left edge, and some registration issues along the right black "piping," or inner border. Centering is really rare in a 74 Schmidt and so I go with card 1 on the left first.

I figured you would take the far right over the middle because of left to right centering on the middle card. I would vote 1,3,2.