Rarely seen, show us some E97 Briggs Lozenge cards

[tedzan]

Here's my type card to start this show....Howie Camnitz (it lists Simon Nichols with Cleveland, which indicates it's the 1910 variation).



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TED Z
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[Jay Wolt]

Here's my only E97. Durham was born in the next town over in New Oxford, PA

[Eric72]

Hi Ted,

The red on that card is very rich and vibrant...so is the blue. What a wonderful specimen. Thanks for sharing.

Best regards,

Eric

[ullmandds]

I aquired my E97(?) B/W in 1995 while interviewing for dental college in cleveland. I found this awesome card shop on euclid that had a red hindu t206 crandall, a few e97 b/w's...tons of t206's and other old stuff. I didn't want to pay the $250 asking price for the red hindu...but I did buy 2 e97 b's's...including this nichols. The other had a corner torn off...it may have been kleinow...but it's log gone.

I later called and bought the red hindu crandall for the $250 asking price.

I have been going for the 3 card run of nichols since then. I have never pulled the trigger on the phil variation...I think tbob has 2...how about it bob!!!!!!

[Jacklitsch]

Still have 2 of the 3

[Jacker_ Cracks]

Nice cards guys!

[Kenny Cole]

My only two

[Kawika]

I put a player set of E97s together a few years ago. No blazers or rare variations but all 30 guys are there. LINK pw = net54

[VoodooChild]

Here's mine:

[tiger8mush]

Nice cards guys. Love the background color on the McIntyre!

[soxinseven]

Here are my examples

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Originally Posted by Kawika

I put a player set of E97s together a few years ago. No blazers or rare variations but all 30 guys are there. LINK pw = net54

David, that is a great set. Thanks for sharing.

[steve B]

The only one of my two I have a scan of.

Steve B

[ullmandds]

ted...are u saying that the backs reflect the few team changes on the fronts????

if so...this is new to me?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by steve B

The only one of my two I have a scan of.

Steve B

As you most likely know....the picture on this E97 is that of Irv Young (not CY). The Cleveland variation of the "Cy Young" card also depicts Irv Young.

TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

ted...are u saying that the backs reflect the few team changes on the fronts????

if so...this is new to me?

Here is my understanding of the Simon Nichols and Cy Young variations in the E97 set.

The A's traded Nichols to Cleveland Dec 1909.

His 1909 card depicts him with the A's. His 1910 card has him with Cleveland (note that the A's logo is seen on his sleeve in this card).
The back of these cards reflects the team on the front.


Boston traded Cy Young to Cleveland Feb 1909.

His 1909 card depicts him with Boston (front is Irv Young). His 1909/1910 card (front is Irv Young) has him with Cleveland. I have not
seen the backs of either versions of Cy Young, so I cannot say if the backs reflect Boston or Cleveland.


I hope this answers your question.


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[ullmandds]

thanks ted...it does...i guess I've never looked closely at the e97 backs. I'd like to see a 1909 back that reflects this nichols, phil variation if anyone has one.

Originally Posted by tedzan

Here is my understanding of the Simon Nichols and Cy Young variations in the E97 set.

The A's traded Nichols to Cleveland Dec 1909.

His 1909 card depicts him with the A's. His 1910 card has him with Cleveland (note that the A's logo is seen on his sleeve in this card).
The back of these cards reflects the team on the front.


Boston traded Cy Young to Cleveland Feb 1909.

His 1909 card depicts him with Boston (front is Irv Young). His 1909/1910 card (front is Irv Young) has him with Cleveland. I have not
seen the Boston version of Cy Young, so I cannot say if its back is Boston or Cleveland.


The A's and Boston variations are worth considerably more than their two Cleveland variations (Nichols and Cy Young, respectively).


I hope this answers your question.


TED Z
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[tedzan]

Double post.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Hi Ted,

The red on that card is very rich and vibrant...so is the blue. What a wonderful specimen. Thanks for sharing.

Best regards,

Eric

Thanks....and, if it wasn't for the paper loss in the lower front of this card, it would be a real gem. Its back is cleaner than most of the E97 cards.

Anyhow, I shouldn't complain about the "paper loss" on it, for I purchased this card for a very reasonable price at an Antique shop in Ohio.

Take care, Eric

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TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by steve B

The only one of my two I have a scan of.

Steve B

Hey Steve B

Please post the back of this E97 Young card.


Thanks much,


TED Z
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[Tom S.]

My lone E97 example...

[trdcrdkid]

My one E97, still in its plastic page along with some of my other E90 through E106 examples:

[ullmandds]

After google searching I still cannot find any e97 back that reflects the nichols, phil variation...are u sure, Ted?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

After google searching I still cannot find any e97 back that reflects the nichols, phil variation...are u sure, Ted?

The list on the back of the 30 different subjects and the 3 variations is identical. For examples the Nichols (Philadelphia) or
(Cleveland) variations is Cleveland. And, Cy Young (Boston) or (Cleveland) variations is Cleveland.

This set is catalogued as a 1909-1910 set. My take on it is...in terms of the back of these cards...it is strictly a 1910 issue.

I base this on the fact that Nichols was traded to Cleveland in Dec. 1909; therefore, the E97's cards were issued in 1910.


Furthermore, Sullivan is listed in the Standard Catalogue as Dennis Sullivan....he is actually Billy Sullivan.

Trivia......Billy Sullivan is first in MLB history to...... ?



TED Z
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[steve B]

I'll have to unbury the end table /card storage I have it in.

Steve B

[spec]

Originally Posted by tedzan

The list on the back of the 30 different subjects and the 3 variations is identical. For examples the Nichols (Philadelphia) or
(Cleveland) variations is Cleveland. And, Cy Young (Boston) or (Cleveland) variations is Cleveland.

This set is catalogued as a 1909-1910 set. My take on it is...in terms of the back of these cards...it is strictly a 1910 issue.

I base this on the fact that Nichols was traded to Cleveland in Dec. 1909; therefore, the E97's cards were issued in 1910.


Furthermore, Sullivan is listed in the Standard Catalogue as Dennis Sullivan....he is actually Billy Sullivan.

Trivia......Billy Sullivan is first in MLB history to...... ?



TED Z
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The image on the E97 is of Dennis W. Sullivan when he played with the Boston Americans (BA) in 1907. He last played for Boston in 1908 and appeared briefly with Cleveland in 1909. Briggs apparently noticed Sullivan playing for the Chicago White Sox in 1910 and corrected the caption accordingly, not realizing this was Billy Sullivan, who never played for the Boston Americans, though he did break in with the Boston National League club in 1899 and 1900.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by spec

The image on the E97 is of Dennis W. Sullivan when he played with the Boston Americans (BA) in 1907. He last played for Boston in 1908 and appeared briefly with Cleveland in 1909. Briggs apparently noticed Sullivan playing for the Chicago White Sox in 1910 and corrected the caption accordingly, not realizing this was Billy Sullivan, who never played for the Boston Americans, though he did break in with the Boston National League club in 1899 and 1900.

Thanks for clarifying.


Trivia
One more try..........Billy Sullivan is the first in MLB history to...... ?


TED Z
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[sb1]

In the next B&L Auction...............

[Bliggity]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Trivia
One more try..........Billy Sullivan is the first in MLB history to...... ?
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Wear a chest protector?

[tedzan]

Dan

Billy Sullivan invented the inflatable chest protector (in 1908 he received a U.S. Patent for it).

But, that's not the answer I'm looking for.

Thanks for your answer.


TED Z
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[Bliggity]

Originally Posted by tedzan

that's not the answer I'm looking for.
TED Z
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Aw man, I cheat and still get it wrong.

[t213]

here's one of mine

Andy

[z28jd]

I still think the e97 Cy Young was meant to be Irv Young. First, they used a picture of him. Second, it has Boston Nat'l on it and he played for the Doves, and third, he was often referred to as Cy Young, and it was just because he was a pitcher with the last name Young.

You have three things that point to it being him. His picture, his team, his nickname. We might not call him Cy Young now, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Heck, the called Harley Young, Cy and he didn't win a game in the majors. If you think old nicknames were original, look how many Buck Freeman's there are.

I'd also like to point out that it was a Boston company that put it up, so you're talking about a player in their hometown and they would have had to not known which team Cy Young was on, but also he wasn't a lefty and didn't look like that.

Just like with the Sullivan being switched to a player it wasn't meant to be later in the color version, the Young card could have had the same thing. Look how many of the T206 poses show the wrong player because of a name mix up with earlier photos. Bill Clymer is really Otis Clymer, Art Kruger is Otto Krueger, I can't keep up with the Hinchman's and Lucky Wright is Lucky Wrong, it's actually Eugene Wright.

[Bosox Blair]

Here are my three Sullivan variations:

[shammus]

Here's an oddity from my collection. What's kind of neat about this is that I've seen the e97 and e98 Meyers in various shades of yellow and orange in the past. I've never seen a "two-toned" example of any card however, that's quite like this one. A gradiant, perhaps...but never a hard break in the background color from one shade to another.

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