T206 Red Kleinow (Boston) DRUM defies it's 460-only series status ?

[tedzan]

In recent years, the Red Kleinow (Boston) and Frank Smith (Chicago & Boston) cards have been classified as 460-only series
T206 subjects. But, long-time T206 collectors consider these two cards as being 350/460 series subjects. But, until recently
no 350 series cards of either one have been found.






You will find on the recently posted DRUM list, that Kleinow (Boston) has been confirmed with the DRUM 350 Subjects back.
Check-it out......
http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=125269



Regarding the Smith (Chicago & Boston) card.....to date, no 350 back on this card has surfaced. It remains in the 460-only
series group.

I think a re-classification of this Kleinow card to the 350/460 series of the T206 set is in order.

Your comments ?

TED Z

[teetwoohsix]

Well, you must've heard it from a reliable source otherwise I think you would be saying it was an impossible front/back combo

Is there a scan available of this Kleinow? I'd love to see it!!
Also- if he was traded to Boston in the begining of 1910, this "could" be a possible front/back combo,right?

Clayton

[tedzan]

Boston acquired Kleinow from the New York Highlanders on May 26th 1910. The DRUM cards were printed in the Summer of 1910.

I don't have a scan, however this is a possible front/back combo since Kleinow (Boston) was actually printed as a 350/460 series
card.


TED Z

[sreader3]

Ted,

1. Have you seen a scan?

2. I am not completely surprised by this. I have always considered Drum an "assorted" back because there are no Drum 150s or 460s--only 350s. Every other back that has a series designation can be found in at least two series. Stated differently, Kleinow (Boston) WOULD HAVE BEEN a Drum 460 except for the fact that American Litho didn't go to the trouble to make Drum 460s (probably due to very small Drum production quantities).

3. Nonetheless, this is a very significant find. Now where's that Smith (Chicago & Boston) Drum?

Scot

[cfc1909]

You are right about every other back having a series designation can be found in at least 2 series.

I am sure Drum 460 was supposed to happen and for some reason it never did. If this were not true, Drum would not have the 350 on the back, it would be large assortment.

Wouldn't that be a find of all finds-a Drum 460...

[sreader3]

Ted, Jim:

Here is my thesis: Kleinow (Boston) WOULD HAVE BEEN a Drum 460 except for the fact that American Litho didn't go to the trouble to make Drum 460s due very small Drum production quantities. It was a matter of simple economics. American Litho initially intended to make Drums with 350 and 460 backs so they put the "350 subjects" designation on the initial Drum back. But they later aborted the plan to create a Drum 460 back due to miniscule Drum production quantities. After all, why pay someone to create a Drum 460 back if you're only going to ship a few hundred cards with that back? So even though the 460 print run had technically started, they decided to ship Kleinow (and possibly Smith) showing the team updates with the Drum 350 back.

One might then fairly wonder why there is a Broad Leaf 460 back. However, while small relative to Piedmont, Sweet Caporal, Sovereign and even American Beauty and Cycle, total Broad Leaf production still dwarfed total Drum production, making the creation of a Broad Leaf 460 back far more economical than a Drum 460 back would have been.

A Drum 460 find would be brilliant indeed, but the discovery of Kleinow (Boston) with Drum 350 provides compelling evidence against the existence of Drum 460.

Your thoughts?

Scot

[E93]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Ted, Jim:



One might then fairly wonder why there is a Broad Leaf 460 back. However, while relatively small, total Broad Leaf production dwarfed Drum production, making the creation of a Broad Leaf 460 back far more economical than a Drum 460 back would have been.

Your thoughts?

Scot

And the BL 460 may have made it clear that it was not worth re-doing it for the smaller brands so they aborted a Drum 460 run. Just a hypothesis.
JimB

[sreader3]

Originally Posted by E93

And the BL 460 may have made it clear that it was not worth re-doing it for the smaller brands so they aborted a Drum 460 run. Just a hypothesis.
JimB

Quite possible.